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lotteex
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COMPLETED - Info on Sarah Lawrence from East Dereham
« on: Tuesday 30 June 09 16:13 BST (UK) »
Searching for information on a Sarah ? born in 1816, in East Dereham and married a James Lawrence.  They moved to London and had a son by the name of William born in 1847 in Middlesex and that's about as much as I know of her. She shows on the 1871 census living with her family, William and his wife Elizabeth Jane Wickes.
Info on her maiden name, parents etc would be appreciated
Thanks
Lottee
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Re: Info on Sarah Lawrence from East Dereham
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 30 June 09 16:51 BST (UK) »
Hi Lotteex

You sure it was a James Lawrence she married as on the 1851 is this family

George Lawrence head mar 40 oilman Middlesex Huh
Sarah         "        wife mar 36               Norfolk
William        "      son u/m 4                    Middlesex Westminster St Johns
James  S?   "   son u/m 3 months                        "

living at 21 Rochester Row?, Westminster St John the Evangelist, Westminster, Middlesex

H0107/ 1479
folio 521
page 10

Transcribed as Lawrance

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Re: Info on Sarah Lawrence from East Dereham
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 30 June 09 16:59 BST (UK) »
1861

James Lawrence head mar 41 carman   Middlesex Westminster
Sarah        "         wife mar 47                Norfolk East Dereham
William      "     step/son u/m 14 scholar  Middlesex Westminster
John Hawley head mar 29 smith general                 "
Agesta?    "   wife mar 33                         Spain Barcelona B.S
Louisa A    "   dau u/m 1 month               Middlesex Westminster

living at 1 Stanford Street?, Westminster St John the Evangalist, Middlesex

Rg9/ 50
folio 107
page 16

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Re: Info on Sarah Lawrence from East Dereham
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 30 June 09 17:12 BST (UK) »
Hi

I see that on the 1871 William was born Middlesex St John, so the 1851 and 1861 could be correct Huh. Plus they are still living in St John the Evangalist, Westminster

ricky

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Re: Info on Sarah Lawrence from East Dereham
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 30 June 09 17:13 BST (UK) »
Hi,

I wonder if this is William's birth registration?

William Lawrence  MarQ 1847      Westminster   1   451   (from FreeBMD)

The certificate will show  Sarah's maiden name.


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Re: Info on Sarah Lawrence from East Dereham
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 30 June 09 17:16 BST (UK) »
There is also this marriage

Sarah Lawrence
1857
March Quarter
Westminster St Margaret
Middlesex
vol 1a
page 411

on the same page is

James Lawrence
John George Hodges
Caroline Payne




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Re: Info on Sarah Lawrence from East Dereham
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 30 June 09 17:41 BST (UK) »
1881

I wonder if this is her  Huh

Joseph Wicks head mar 29 carman Middlesex Gunnersby?
Emily        "    wife mar 37                      "        St James
Joseph     "   son u/m 18 months           "         Fulham
William      "  son u/m 1 month               "              "
John Bird lodger mar 30  railway porter Norfolk Attleborough
Eliza    "        "    mar 20                         Herts
Jemima Brown lodger mar 50                 Buckinghamshire
John          "   husband mar 71              Middlesex Huh
Elizabeth Lawrence lodger wid 36 laundress "     Gunnersby?
George         "          son u/m 12 scholar         "    Pimlico
James            "         son u/m 10      "              "        "
William           "         son u/m 8        "              "        "
Frederick        "         son u/m 5       "                "         "
Joseph            "        son u/m 3       "                 "        "
Sarah              "   gr/mother wid 67                   Norfolk
Violet Glendining lodger wid 81    Huh            Scotland

living at 17 Dieppe St, Fulham, London

Rg11/ 85
folio 99
page 9


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Re: Info on Sarah Lawrence from East Dereham
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 30 June 09 18:03 BST (UK) »
Thank you both for responding, it has certainly given me a few avenues to explore.  Sarah's marriage in 1857 would make her 41 and William is her stepson, so Jan that wouldn't give me Sarah's maiden name however as she isn't related that's not too much of a worry, what his birth cert will give me is his real mum's name as she has either died or divorced so I will try that suggestion thanks.  On William's son's birth cert they were living at 41 Vauxhall bridge road, Westminster in the district of St John, Middlesex in 1871 so it seems to have a common theme.
In the 1851 census William is 4 and shows as her son, whilst in the 1861 he becomes her stepson so a bit of confusion there, again I think his birth cert may help me there.
I wonder who the George is on the 1851 census?
Ricky just read your latest addition. I had that info, though on the census Wicks shows as Weeks. What is interesting is that William's wife is Elizabeth Jane Wicks which makes me think perhaps they are related.  I need to find out her siblings.  Many thanks for this probably wouldn't have made the connection without it.
Best wishes
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Re: Info on Sarah Lawrence from East Dereham
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 30 June 09 18:11 BST (UK) »
Hi Lottee

1861 would mean he is the stepson to the head of the house. Who was James Lawrence Wink

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Re: Info on Sarah Lawrence from East Dereham
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 30 June 09 18:29 BST (UK) »
Oh!   I never thought of that. So his mum is Sarah, it's his dad that is the mystery.  Thinking about this, she was a Lawrence (could this be George) who married another Lawrence (james), so probably looking for the death of George somewhere between 1851 and 1861 and quickly looking at bmd there are a few!
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Re: Info on Sarah Lawrence from East Dereham
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 30 June 09 18:33 BST (UK) »
Hi

I had a look for a death, but as you say there are a few about Huh Huh

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Re: Info on Sarah Lawrence from East Dereham
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 30 June 09 18:49 BST (UK) »
Absolutely!
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Re: Info on Sarah Lawrence from East Dereham
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 01 July 09 08:50 BST (UK) »


I've ordered the birth cert for William so hopefully this will confirm a few details, will let you both know

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Re: Info on Sarah Lawrence from East Dereham
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 01 July 09 08:52 BST (UK) »
Quote from: lotteex on Wednesday 01 July 09 08:50 BST (UK)


I've ordered the birth cert for William so hopefully this will confirm a few details, will let you both know

Lottee

Hi Lottee

That would be great Wink Wink

good luck
regards
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Re: Info on Sarah Lawrence from East Dereham
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 01 July 09 08:59 BST (UK) »
Hi,


Fingers crossed!   Cheesy


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