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suzard
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Re: Please help with brickwall
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 30 June 09 16:54 UTC (UK) »
Thanks Laurina -so it seems we are on the right track

If Thomas Bishop brown and Annie are the parents of Thomas henry and Nellie - then where were the children in 1881??

1881
11 southend Kensington
Thomas B Brown Head m 38 Messenger Dorset
Annie wife 29 Housekeeper Kent
Harriet harvey Lodger 17 Dom serv Bath
Emily leach Lodger W 35 Parish nurse Niddlesex
RG11 22 152 75

but then in 1901 one of the Duce's is with them?
1901
133 Weebolt??
Maidstone kent
Thomas  brown head M 59 Easting House Keeper Dorchester Dorset
Annie wife 46 Dover kent
Keziah Duce servant u 20 Gen serv Dom Orton Staffs
Elizabeth Crockow serv 19 gen serv Dom Harrietsham? Kent
RG13 767 88 11


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Thornhill, Cresswell, Sisson, Harriman, Cripps, Eyre, Walter, Marson, Battison, Holmes, Bailey, Hardman, Fairhurst Noon-mainly in Derbys/Notts-but also Northampton, Oxford, Leics, Lancs-England
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Re: Please help with brickwall
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 30 June 09 17:01 UTC (UK) »
Suz, Thomas Bishop Brown,we think married a Alice Unknown.and it was John Henry brown who marr,Annie Potter.


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Reserching / TOWNER Bishopstone and Brighton Area, Sussex / NIGHTINGALE  Warnham, Horsham ,Brighton / ........................................................Illson  Leicestershire...............................................ADAMS/GANDERTON/ BENNETT /TAYLOR/BROWN. Warwick Birmingham Areas.
And , (Jane Eliza Meddows & Meddows Taylor family; Of Willoughby Waterless in the county of Leicestershire.)
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Re: Please help with brickwall
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 30 June 09 17:04 UTC (UK) »
Quote from: Laurina on Tuesday 30 June 09 16:36 UTC (UK)
Annie Potter m John H Brown
3Q 1925 Birmingham South, Warwickshire, 6d 288

Laurina
You were correct here with this marriage.
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Reserching / TOWNER Bishopstone and Brighton Area, Sussex / NIGHTINGALE  Warnham, Horsham ,Brighton / ........................................................Illson  Leicestershire...............................................ADAMS/GANDERTON/ BENNETT /TAYLOR/BROWN. Warwick Birmingham Areas.
And , (Jane Eliza Meddows & Meddows Taylor family; Of Willoughby Waterless in the county of Leicestershire.)
suzard
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Re: Please help with brickwall
« Reply #18 on: Tuesday 30 June 09 17:14 UTC (UK) »
Thomas bishop brown's wife is Annie - not Alice (unless he was previously married)

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Sept 1874
Dover
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Thomas bishop brown(e)
Annie Artlett
2a 1263

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Re: Please help with brickwall
« Reply #19 on: Tuesday 30 June 09 17:24 UTC (UK) »
Ok Suz, I will ask cozerocks when she comes back in about half an hour,she gone to get hubbies tea.!

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Reserching / TOWNER Bishopstone and Brighton Area, Sussex / NIGHTINGALE  Warnham, Horsham ,Brighton / ........................................................Illson  Leicestershire...............................................ADAMS/GANDERTON/ BENNETT /TAYLOR/BROWN. Warwick Birmingham Areas.
And , (Jane Eliza Meddows & Meddows Taylor family; Of Willoughby Waterless in the county of Leicestershire.)
Laurina
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Re: Please help with brickwall
« Reply #20 on: Tuesday 30 June 09 17:30 UTC (UK) »
1881 Census RG11/2627/61/9

John Duce, Head, 37, Farlow, Shropshire - Ag lab
Maria, Wife, 33, Farlow
Emma, Daug, 7, Stottesdon
William, Son, 5, Stoddesdon
Thomas, Son, 3, Stottesdon
Infant, Daug, 1mn, Stottesdon

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Laurina
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Re: Please help with brickwall
« Reply #21 on: Tuesday 30 June 09 17:35 UTC (UK) »
Marriage: John Duce / Maria Martin

2Q 1872 Cleobury Mortimer Herefordshire/Shropshire/Worcestershire  6a 1134

Emma's parents

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BettyofKent
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Re: Please help with brickwall
« Reply #22 on: Tuesday 30 June 09 17:38 UTC (UK) »
Marriage
St James, Dover
5th September 1874
Groom:
Thomas Bishop BROWN  Sgt 137 Regt.
Abode: Christ Church.  Father: Thomas Bishop Brown, Tailor.
Bride:
Annie ARTLETT
Of this parish. Father: Daniel George, Mariner


Betty

Quote from: suzard on Tuesday 30 June 09 17:14 UTC (UK)
Thomas bishop brown's wife is Annie - not Alice (unless he was previously married)

Marriage freeBMD

Sept 1874
Dover
on same page
Thomas bishop brown(e)
Annie Artlett
2a 1263

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KENT:
Stutely - Wittersham & Stone
Padgham - Wittersham
Wanstall - Northbourne
Taylor - Ringwould & Ash
Skinner - Deal
Bushell - Walmer
Spain - Walmer
Also
Schloss - Poland, Nottingham, Massachusetts & New Zealand.
Cohen - Birmingham


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Laurina
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Re: Please help with brickwall
« Reply #23 on: Tuesday 30 June 09 17:44 UTC (UK) »
1891 Census RG12/2357/65/8 119 Pershore Road, Edgbaston, Birmingham

Emma Duce, 18, is a servant in the household of Emma Shaw

Laurina
Quote from: suzard on Tuesday 30 June 09 16:54 UTC (UK)
Thanks Laurina -so it seems we are on the right track

If Thomas Bishop brown and Annie are the parents of Thomas henry and Nellie - then where were the children in 1881??

1881
11 southend Kensington
Thomas B Brown Head m 38 Messenger Dorset
Annie wife 29 Housekeeper Kent
Harriet harvey Lodger 17 Dom serv Bath
Emily leach Lodger W 35 Parish nurse Niddlesex
RG11 22 152 75

but then in 1901 one of the Duce's is with them?
1901
133 Weebolt??
Maidstone kent
Thomas  brown head M 59 Easting House Keeper Dorchester Dorset
Annie wife 46 Dover kent
Keziah Duce servant u 20 Gen serv Dom Orton Staffs
Elizabeth Crockow serv 19 gen serv Dom Harrietsham? Kent
RG13 767 88 11


suz

Kezia Duce is the unnamed infant in the 1881 census Emma Duce's sister.

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Laurina
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Re: Please help with brickwall
« Reply #24 on: Tuesday 30 June 09 17:49 UTC (UK) »
1891 Census RG12/2092/59/8 - Stottesdon, Shropshire

John Duce, Head, 42 - Timber faller
Maria, Wife, 38
Kezia, Daug, 10
Fanny, Daug, 7
John, Son, 5
Edith M, Daug, 3
Millena T, Daug, 1

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Re: Please help with brickwall
« Reply #25 on: Tuesday 30 June 09 18:28 UTC (UK) »
Oh gosh you are all ahead of me,thank you,all of you. I am still looking for a marriage and I find you have found so much in the census.I was looking for Herbert and Ethel  Brown and family in the census as well Shocked
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Reserching / TOWNER Bishopstone and Brighton Area, Sussex / NIGHTINGALE  Warnham, Horsham ,Brighton / ........................................................Illson  Leicestershire...............................................ADAMS/GANDERTON/ BENNETT /TAYLOR/BROWN. Warwick Birmingham Areas.
And , (Jane Eliza Meddows & Meddows Taylor family; Of Willoughby Waterless in the county of Leicestershire.)
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Re: Please help with brickwall
« Reply #26 on: Tuesday 30 June 09 20:10 UTC (UK) »
Quote from: BettyofKent on Tuesday 30 June 09 17:38 UTC (UK)
Marriage
St James, Dover
5th September 1874
Groom:
Thomas Bishop BROWN  Sgt 137 Regt.
Abode: Christ Church.  Father: Thomas Bishop Brown, Tailor.
Bride:
Annie ARTLETT
Of this parish. Father: Daniel George, Mariner


Betty
I think somehow I have father and son mixed up here,are you saying Thomas Bishop Brown is the father of Thomas Bishop Brown  (the son) as above in this marriage. to Annie Artlett.
I have been given the Thomas who married Emma Duce was a Thomas Henry Brown. And if Thomas Bishop Brown married in 1874,how come I have a birth date for him as 1899,!! am I missing something here.!! what do you think..?
It can't be correct the birth, for the son of 1899 ,if he married in 1874  Huh---- Hope you can understand what I'm getting at.

Sophiedog.

Quote from: suzard on Tuesday 30 June 09 17:14 UTC (UK)
Thomas bishop brown's wife is Annie - not Alice (unless he was previously married)

Marriage freeBMD

Sept 1874
Dover
on same page
Thomas bishop brown(e)
Annie Artlett
2a 1263

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Reserching / TOWNER Bishopstone and Brighton Area, Sussex / NIGHTINGALE  Warnham, Horsham ,Brighton / ........................................................Illson  Leicestershire...............................................ADAMS/GANDERTON/ BENNETT /TAYLOR/BROWN. Warwick Birmingham Areas.
And , (Jane Eliza Meddows & Meddows Taylor family; Of Willoughby Waterless in the county of Leicestershire.)
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Re: Please help with brickwall
« Reply #27 on: Tuesday 30 June 09 20:14 UTC (UK) »
Bettyofkent, the posting below Quoting marriage of Thomas Bishop Brown to Annie Artlett is a message to you,in the blue quote messages. Huh

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Reserching / TOWNER Bishopstone and Brighton Area, Sussex / NIGHTINGALE  Warnham, Horsham ,Brighton / ........................................................Illson  Leicestershire...............................................ADAMS/GANDERTON/ BENNETT /TAYLOR/BROWN. Warwick Birmingham Areas.
And , (Jane Eliza Meddows & Meddows Taylor family; Of Willoughby Waterless in the county of Leicestershire.)
Laurina
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Re: Please help with brickwall
« Reply #28 on: Tuesday 30 June 09 20:36 UTC (UK) »
Thomas Bishop Brown was b.1842 in Dorchester - married Annie Artlett
2Q 1842 Dorchester, Dorset 8 55

He is the father of Thomas Henry Brown b.1874 married Emma Duce

Thomas Henry Brown b. 1874 has a son and names him after his father

Thomas Bishop Brown
3Q 1898 Pancras, London  1b  23

I hope that makes it clearer.

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Laurina
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Re: Please help with brickwall
« Reply #29 on: Tuesday 30 June 09 20:40 UTC (UK) »
The oldest Thomas Bishop Brown's death

Thomas Bishop Brown
Est. birth 1842
2Q 1905 Maidstone, Kent  2a  456
Aged 65

Thomas Bishop Brown
Chr. 7th May 1842
Dorchester, Dorset
Father: Thomas Brown
Mother: Elizabeth

... and a brother

John Bishop Brown
Chr. 19th Jul 1840
Dorchester, Dorset
Father: Thomas Brown
Mother: Elizabeth

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