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Topic: Isaac Burman of Mavis Enderby (Read 216 times)
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hybridjeff
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Was Isaac Burman a guinea pig in cryogenic research?
In my research I have discovered a distant relative - Isaac Burman, a canal labourer, born in 1865 at Mavis Enderby in Lincolnshire.
It is amazing what can be discovered online but often the information raises many ponderous questions. Take, for instance, the Family Search Pedigree Resource File. It reveals that this man was certainly ahead of his time. He was a "toy boy", being 57 years younger than his wife (recorded as Ann White 1808 Hundleby). Probably realising that their days together would be short they must have been the first to make use of emerging frozen embryo technology. Ann's death is recorded as 1st Feb 1889 but why did she die at Boston Union House? Had the scientists (and her husband) abandoned her? Did they flee with the frozen embryos to Derbyshire and, if so, why?
These questions arise because Ann is shown as the mother of both Susan Rebecca Burman in 1893 and Beatrice Ann in 1899, both at Codnor in Derbyshire. If I order their birth certs why do I feel confident that Ann will not be named as their mother? Why cannot I find the registered marriage of George Burman and Ann White?
Conspiracy? Or a case of haphazard research which, sadly, gets copied into someone else's tree and corrupts the accuracy of countless other family trees?
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hepburn
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I think it's a conspiracy to baffle you. 
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stoke on trent. carson,wain,leese,shaw,key,scalley,mitchell,
,james,
nottingham,pollard,grice,
derbyshire,vallands,turton,howe.
new zealand,turton
canada,carson.
australia,mitchell,scalley,
Has anyone seen Henry Atcherson Carson,born Canada 1844?
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hepburn
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Do you know who Olive is/ she marries an Isaac Burman same age as yours and living in Derbyshire.
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stoke on trent. carson,wain,leese,shaw,key,scalley,mitchell,
,james,
nottingham,pollard,grice,
derbyshire,vallands,turton,howe.
new zealand,turton
canada,carson.
australia,mitchell,scalley,
Has anyone seen Henry Atcherson Carson,born Canada 1844?
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hepburn
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Their children are Susan Rebecca and Beatrice Ann...1901 census.
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stoke on trent. carson,wain,leese,shaw,key,scalley,mitchell,
,james,
nottingham,pollard,grice,
derbyshire,vallands,turton,howe.
new zealand,turton
canada,carson.
australia,mitchell,scalley,
Has anyone seen Henry Atcherson Carson,born Canada 1844?
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hepburn
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1893 Belper marriage of Isaac Burman and Olive Comins..
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stoke on trent. carson,wain,leese,shaw,key,scalley,mitchell,
,james,
nottingham,pollard,grice,
derbyshire,vallands,turton,howe.
new zealand,turton
canada,carson.
australia,mitchell,scalley,
Has anyone seen Henry Atcherson Carson,born Canada 1844?
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hybridjeff
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Hi Hepburn.
It was my research of the Comins family that led me to discover Isaac. I entered his name on familysearch hoping to find his marriage to Olive but this is where I uncovered he was "married" to octogenarian Ann White.
I will need to order m cert for Olive and also Susan's birth cert as Susan's birth was registered in first quarter of 1893 but Olive and Isaac's marriage was not registered until the fourth quarter of the same year.
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hepburn
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http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/SearchResults.pl?RecordType=Marriages&RecordID=858745
This is the Isaac Marriage to Ann White 1828...
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stoke on trent. carson,wain,leese,shaw,key,scalley,mitchell,
,james,
nottingham,pollard,grice,
derbyshire,vallands,turton,howe.
new zealand,turton
canada,carson.
australia,mitchell,scalley,
Has anyone seen Henry Atcherson Carson,born Canada 1844?
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hepburn
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I can't find Olives birth but,I have her in the Censuses....
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stoke on trent. carson,wain,leese,shaw,key,scalley,mitchell,
,james,
nottingham,pollard,grice,
derbyshire,vallands,turton,howe.
new zealand,turton
canada,carson.
australia,mitchell,scalley,
Has anyone seen Henry Atcherson Carson,born Canada 1844?
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ivanidea
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Are you aware of this tree:
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=linclinks&id=I010982
Name: Ann White
Birth: 1808 in Spilsby, Lincolnshire, England
Death: AFT 1881
Reference Number: 11029
Marriage 1 Isaac Burman b: 1804 in Hagworthingham Lincolnshire, England
Married: 15 MAY 1828 in Aswardby, Lincolnshire, England
Regards
Ivan
Edit:
PS - Seems to expand upon Hepburn's marriage finding (reply #6) and brings into the equation your Isaac and his father, George.
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ivanidea
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I don't know if you have Olive's birth record but this is a possiblity:
Births Sep 1867
Spilsby 7a 508
Cummins, Olive
Ivan
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hybridjeff
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Thanks for that tree reference Ivan. The Resource File that I originally looked made me think that the LDS, not content with baptising ones that have been dead foe many years, were resorting to marrying ones off years before their birth. That tree corrects my inaccurate viewpoint.
It does amaze me that many of the submitted details on that site contain glaring errors which then appear in other trees. I thought the whole point of tracing one's ancestors was to be as accurate as possible, checking and double checking the information, citing its source, and recording the correct details for posterity. Instead we find many details that recall to mind the classic Morecombe & Wise sketch with Andre Previn "I am playing the right notes, but not necessarily in the right order!"
The birth reference for Olive is correct. Although the family signed their name as Comins in the early 1700s, when the family spread from Thorpe to Hundleby, Horsington and Lincoln, many surnames ended up as Cummins. The children of the same family at Horsington had their surname recorded as Commins, Commings, Cummins and Cummings.
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