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Chammy
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Hi iam new to this forum and i was wondering if theres anyone out there that may be able to help me,i am researching the Cartman family who lived in Blackburn,lancs Charles william Cartman was born in Wells Norfolk in 1857 he was married to mary jane westwell in Blackburn lancs.They had 6 children,Sidney born in june 1888,Fred born 6th April 1880,Hannah,born 9th Sept 1883, Maggie born 10th January 1887,Ada born 22nd March 1889 and Alice Ann,i have found out a bit of information but im now struggling,i know Alice Ann died in either the 60s or 70s when her nightdress caught fire she died at Blackburn Infirmary but i dont know when i have looked at lots of deaths but been unable to find out when she died or where she is burried,i dont know if anyone can help me but i would be really grateful for any information anyone has got on this family,Sidney and Charles William owned Cartmans sand and gravel merchants in Clarendon Rd,Skew Bridge Blackburn,up to the 1930s,i wonder if anyone out there has any photos of them or their gravel business,as we only have 2 photos and dont even know what they looked like,i would apprieciate any help anyone can give me thanks.
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wendy47
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Hi Chammy & welcome to Rootschat, a great site. Do you need any other info apart from Alice's?
i know Alice Ann died in either the 60s or 70s when her nightdress caught fire she died at Blackburn Infirmary
I have found Alice in the 1891 Census at 17 Poplar Street Blackburn [Northern]
Charles W Cartman 35 Coal Merchant b Wells Norfolk
Mary J Cartman 35
Fred Cartman 11
Hannah Cartman 8
Maggie Cartman 4
Sidney Cartman 3
Ada Cartman 2
Alice Ann Cartman 9/12
All others b Blackburn
RG12 Piece 3401 Folio 145 Page 4
Also I don't know if you have Charles' parents
1861 Census for Orchard Street Westminster Middlesex
Charles Cartman 38 Head Stonemason b Ripon
Hannah Cartman 26 Wife b Wells Norfolk
Charles Cartman 4 Son b Wells Norfolk
Hannah Cartman 2 dau b Wells Norfolk
James Cartman 3 Mo dau b Westminster
RG9 Piece 48 Folio 161 Page 25
Wendy 
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COTTERELL, NAPPER, NASH, FLEETWOOD, HANDLEY, COLLINS Hereford
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CROWE, REYNOLDS, BEARMAN Suflk/Essx/Middx
Abraham CARLSON/CHARLSON Sweden/E Ldn
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STILES, DORTON Middx, Surrey
"Fisher" HALLUM London? HANSTEY, MARSHALL Northumberland
ELDRIDGE, ALDRIDGE, STILES, DORTON Ldn RAGLESS, NYE Sussex
FEGAN, LOUGHLIN Down
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tressle
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Hi Chammy
Just to clarify about Alice Ann Cartman when you say you have looked at lots of deaths - do you mean you have searched the death indexes year by year and quarter by quarter through all the relevant time scale? I don't want to re-do the search if you have already done that.
I presume Alice Ann never married - again don't want to look for Cartman if we should be looking for her death under her married name.
Have you checked on Lancsbmd in case you strike lucky with a search?
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hepburn
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Nothing on Lancashire bmd ,
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stoke on trent. carson,wain,leese,shaw,key,scalley,mitchell,
,james,
nottingham,pollard,grice,
derbyshire,vallands,turton,howe.
new zealand,turton
canada,carson.
australia,mitchell,scalley,
Has anyone seen Henry Atcherson Carson,born Canada 1844?
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wendy47
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Also
1871 Census for 94 Whalley Old Road Blackburn Lancs
James Ward 32 Head Cotton Weaver b Ribchester Lancs
Margret Ward 33 Wife b Ripon Lancs
Joseph Ward 8 son Scholar b Blackburn Lancs
Thomas Ward 7 son Scholar b Blackburn Lancs
Charles Wm Cartman 14 Nephew b Wells Norfolk
Ada Cartman 4 Neice b Wells Norfolk
RG10 Piece 4178 Folio 67 Page 10
Wendy
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VEAL, PRICE, STURGE, BELLET, DREW, TAYLOR Som/Glos
COTTERELL, NAPPER, NASH, FLEETWOOD, HANDLEY, COLLINS Hereford
NASH, TYLER Warks, Kent
CROWE, REYNOLDS, BEARMAN Suflk/Essx/Middx
Abraham CARLSON/CHARLSON Sweden/E Ldn
COX Wilts
STILES, DORTON Middx, Surrey
"Fisher" HALLUM London? HANSTEY, MARSHALL Northumberland
ELDRIDGE, ALDRIDGE, STILES, DORTON Ldn RAGLESS, NYE Sussex
FEGAN, LOUGHLIN Down
CLAYTON SWEENY Cork
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tressle
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There is a marriage of an Alice Ann Cartman on Lancsbmd to a Spencer in 1939, would have made Alice 50 at time of marriage but she could have married late.
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wendy47
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I have found her on the 1911 Census
ALICE ANN CARTMAN b 1891 aged 20 Blackburn Lancashire
Also there are 12 other Cartmans in Blackburn including her parents. not saying they are all the same family.
http://www.1911census.co.uk/search/results4.aspx?x=581267410
Wendy
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VEAL, PRICE, STURGE, BELLET, DREW, TAYLOR Som/Glos
COTTERELL, NAPPER, NASH, FLEETWOOD, HANDLEY, COLLINS Hereford
NASH, TYLER Warks, Kent
CROWE, REYNOLDS, BEARMAN Suflk/Essx/Middx
Abraham CARLSON/CHARLSON Sweden/E Ldn
COX Wilts
STILES, DORTON Middx, Surrey
"Fisher" HALLUM London? HANSTEY, MARSHALL Northumberland
ELDRIDGE, ALDRIDGE, STILES, DORTON Ldn RAGLESS, NYE Sussex
FEGAN, LOUGHLIN Down
CLAYTON SWEENY Cork
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hepburn
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http://www.british-genealogy.com/forums/showthread.php?t=46162
I think she's a spinster
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stoke on trent. carson,wain,leese,shaw,key,scalley,mitchell,
,james,
nottingham,pollard,grice,
derbyshire,vallands,turton,howe.
new zealand,turton
canada,carson.
australia,mitchell,scalley,
Has anyone seen Henry Atcherson Carson,born Canada 1844?
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wendy47
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Are you sure it was Alice Ann who died in a fire?
Wendy
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CROWE, REYNOLDS, BEARMAN Suflk/Essx/Middx
Abraham CARLSON/CHARLSON Sweden/E Ldn
COX Wilts
STILES, DORTON Middx, Surrey
"Fisher" HALLUM London? HANSTEY, MARSHALL Northumberland
ELDRIDGE, ALDRIDGE, STILES, DORTON Ldn RAGLESS, NYE Sussex
FEGAN, LOUGHLIN Down
CLAYTON SWEENY Cork
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wendy47
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Do you mean the 1960's - 1970's  If so she may have died as a Spencer.
I tend to think in the 19th century when we use only 2 numbers 
wendy
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VEAL, PRICE, STURGE, BELLET, DREW, TAYLOR Som/Glos
COTTERELL, NAPPER, NASH, FLEETWOOD, HANDLEY, COLLINS Hereford
NASH, TYLER Warks, Kent
CROWE, REYNOLDS, BEARMAN Suflk/Essx/Middx
Abraham CARLSON/CHARLSON Sweden/E Ldn
COX Wilts
STILES, DORTON Middx, Surrey
"Fisher" HALLUM London? HANSTEY, MARSHALL Northumberland
ELDRIDGE, ALDRIDGE, STILES, DORTON Ldn RAGLESS, NYE Sussex
FEGAN, LOUGHLIN Down
CLAYTON SWEENY Cork
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hepburn
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Chammy has been all over the place trying to find out what happened to Alice Ann 
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stoke on trent. carson,wain,leese,shaw,key,scalley,mitchell,
,james,
nottingham,pollard,grice,
derbyshire,vallands,turton,howe.
new zealand,turton
canada,carson.
australia,mitchell,scalley,
Has anyone seen Henry Atcherson Carson,born Canada 1844?
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Chammy
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Hi everyone thanks so much for your help we always thought that she was a spinster,but my mum was only young when she remembered her so i suppose she may have been married after my mum knew her, i have looked at the lancsbmd but couldnt find anything and have also looked on ancestary at the months and years,without success,thanks everyone for helping me i really appriciate it, thanks for the information as to the aunt and uncle that charles william was staying with,another puzzle that i have is Sidney had a son aged 8/9 who died at Blackburn infirmary in Sept 1919 when he was kicked by a horse on the farm,i have his death certificate,a kind man showed us where the grave would have been,its just an uneven patch,he told me the child was burried with other people possible relatives,my gran always told me she was going in the family grave in Blackburn cemetary,where the childs mum and dad and my gran and grandad are burried,but i cant understand why the child would be in a grave with other people,would i be able to find out if there was ever a gravestone?because theres nothing now,i know my gran never knew her brother was burried there,they were comfortable moneywise so theres no reason not to be a stone . Charles William the grandad has a grave there and the family have so i wonder what could have happened to the stone, i got some paperwork from cemsearch but theres nothing to mention the little boy
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wendy47
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What a shame he's not mentioned.
Cemeteries in towns were getting quite full in the late Victorian age so may be they put children in another grave but I would have thought he would be with family. May be the stones have been moved.
You mentiond Cemsearch. Surely the cemetery reecords would have his name in them.
Wendy
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VEAL, PRICE, STURGE, BELLET, DREW, TAYLOR Som/Glos
COTTERELL, NAPPER, NASH, FLEETWOOD, HANDLEY, COLLINS Hereford
NASH, TYLER Warks, Kent
CROWE, REYNOLDS, BEARMAN Suflk/Essx/Middx
Abraham CARLSON/CHARLSON Sweden/E Ldn
COX Wilts
STILES, DORTON Middx, Surrey
"Fisher" HALLUM London? HANSTEY, MARSHALL Northumberland
ELDRIDGE, ALDRIDGE, STILES, DORTON Ldn RAGLESS, NYE Sussex
FEGAN, LOUGHLIN Down
CLAYTON SWEENY Cork
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Chammy
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Hi wendy,would the cemetary records be at the cemetary or the records office? i just assumed his grave details would be on with his other relatives, on the cemsearch papers they are on but sadly hes not thanks wendy
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wendy47
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Don't know if this will help
http://www.geocities.com/susan2153/burialgrounds/blackburncemetery.htm
You could G****e Blackburn Cemetery Records and see what pops up.
Wendy
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VEAL, PRICE, STURGE, BELLET, DREW, TAYLOR Som/Glos
COTTERELL, NAPPER, NASH, FLEETWOOD, HANDLEY, COLLINS Hereford
NASH, TYLER Warks, Kent
CROWE, REYNOLDS, BEARMAN Suflk/Essx/Middx
Abraham CARLSON/CHARLSON Sweden/E Ldn
COX Wilts
STILES, DORTON Middx, Surrey
"Fisher" HALLUM London? HANSTEY, MARSHALL Northumberland
ELDRIDGE, ALDRIDGE, STILES, DORTON Ldn RAGLESS, NYE Sussex
FEGAN, LOUGHLIN Down
CLAYTON SWEENY Cork
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