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FlowerBD20
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William Foster father of Samuel Foster
« on: Wednesday 01 July 09 15:35 UTC (UK) »
According to the census, Samuel was born in Whiston 1838 and on his marriage cert (to Anne Richardson in Eccleston near St Helens 1858) his father is William, a labourer but I can't find the correct Samuel in the 1841 or 51 census, nor his baptism and there are no further clues in the later census. His children are born in Garston (Anne's home town), Windle, St Helens and Sutton, the last three being christened there and he is buried in Sutton 1885 after death from the injuries of an accident on the LNW Railway where he worked. Can anyone help me to get back a generation to the correct William and his wife? Thanks.
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heywood
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Re: William Foster father of Samuel Foster
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 01 July 09 17:12 UTC (UK) »
Hello,

have you seen this one in 1841 HO107; Piece 517; Book: 7; Folio: 35
right names and area - look like only ones in 1841 at least.  Cheesy

best wishes
heywood
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Alexander, Suffolk and Lancashire; Ashworth,Whitworth, Grindrod Lancashire; Golden, Duffy County Mayo.
CaroleW
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Re: William Foster father of Samuel Foster
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 01 July 09 20:10 UTC (UK) »
Hi Heywood

Is that ref from FMP as Ancestry is showing not found
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heywood
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Re: William Foster father of Samuel Foster
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 01 July 09 20:14 UTC (UK) »
No it's Ancestry  Huh  I'll check!

Just tried it- yes he's there with that ref - Samuel Foster b 1836

I did look in 1851 Carole and couldn't find them.  Sad
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CaroleW
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Re: William Foster father of Samuel Foster
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 01 July 09 20:17 UTC (UK) »
Hi Heywood

I've just found them thanks - I used the piece and folio only
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heywood
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Re: William Foster father of Samuel Foster
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 01 July 09 20:20 UTC (UK) »
thank goodness!

They look pretty good I would say - parents are of an age that they may have died during the intervening years to next census. Difficult then to trace on Free BMD.
As I said, can't see them in 1851.
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CaroleW
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Re: William Foster father of Samuel Foster
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 01 July 09 20:37 UTC (UK) »
Hi

I have a theory!!

Submitted IGI entry

SAMUEL FOSTER   Christening:  31 JUL 1836   Prescot, Lancashire   Father:  WILLIAM FOSTER    Mother:  MARY 

1841 wife is Sarah

Marriages December qtr 1838

FOSTER  Sarah     Prescot  20 661   
FOSTER  William     Prescot  20 661   

1841 shows dtr Jane aged 10 - another submitted entry

JANE FOSTER   Christening:  19 APR 1829   Prescot   Father:  WILLIAM FOSTER   Mother:  MARY 




   
 
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heywood
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Re: William Foster father of Samuel Foster
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 01 July 09 20:58 UTC (UK) »
Lancashire online parish clerk has:
baptism for Jane 1829 -parents William(labourer) and Mary abode Sutton
nothing for Samuel  Sad
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Re: William Foster father of Samuel Foster
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 02 July 09 12:27 UTC (UK) »
yes, all the above census and baptism details already found and puzzled over mightily! Sarah could be a 2nd wife of course. But there is a Jane baptised Huyton, daughter of William and Sarah in 1829. The family with Sarah are on the 1851 with William and daughter Mary and visitor Robert Whitfield who marries that Mary Foster. The son of Mary's 2nd husband marries my Samuel's daughter Margaret. Also a Robert Whitfield witnesses my Samuel's marriage  but all this is just coincidence as the names are all very common. Anyone out there related and holding proof?
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Re: William Foster father of Samuel Foster
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 02 July 09 13:36 UTC (UK) »
Hello again,

you say that you can't find the correct Samuel but as there is only one born around right time and in the right place in 1841 the odds are considerably shortened.

In your search for proof...
Have you found more than one candidate in 1841?

You could send for the film re Jane born Huyton to see what if that offers any clues.
You could check the Prescot marriage for William and Sarah which Carole found- that would show his status; his occupation; his address and the witnesses- all clues perhaps.

best wishes
heywood
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Re: William Foster father of Samuel Foster
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 02 July 09 14:31 UTC (UK) »
What brilliant deduction. You have all come up with excellent clues which I shall follow up. This may take me some time so don't be upset if I go quiet for a while. The marriage was one I hadn't found although there were so many Sarahs marrying William Fosters that I had given up on that theory. Thankyou so much for refreshing this line of enquiry. Samuel's dob of 1838 although consistent could be wrong and the Mary/William 1836 one could be him. Can anyone find Mary buried between 36 and 38?
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Re: William Foster father of Samuel Foster
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 02 July 09 16:37 UTC (UK) »
Hi again,
it's not to say that it is the right person but it is worth eliminating any possible candidates. Otherwise, if you come back to it on rootschat - you'll get all this info again  Grin

good luck
heywood
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Re: William Foster father of Samuel Foster
« Reply #12 on: Friday 25 September 09 18:18 UTC (UK) »
Unfortunately the marriage of William Foster on the same page as Sarah Foster is NOT to each other so that scuppers that theory. Anyone able to help further?
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Re: William Foster father of Samuel Foster
« Reply #13 on: Friday 25 September 09 19:37 UTC (UK) »
Quote from: FlowerBD20 on Thursday 02 July 09 12:27 UTC (UK)
yes, all the above census and baptism details already found and puzzled over mightily! Sarah could be a 2nd wife of course. But there is a Jane baptised Huyton, daughter of William and Sarah in 1829. The family with Sarah are on the 1851 with William and daughter Mary and visitor Robert Whitfield who marries that Mary Foster. The son of Mary's 2nd husband marries my Samuel's daughter Margaret. Also a Robert Whitfield witnesses my Samuel's marriage  but all this is just coincidence as the names are all very common. Anyone out there related and holding proof?

It's a pity about the marriage certificate- I mean the money really- but we have to go through these trials.

I'm looking back at this- are you saying here that the family with son Samuel in 1841 is the 1851 family living in Bold?
Also that Robert Whitfield marries daughter Mary and that a Robert Whitfield is a witness to your Samuel's wedding but you don't know if it is the same Robert. (Sorry I am sounding a bit obtuse- just trying to tune back in.)
Do you know who was the witness at Robert and Mary's marriage- wondering if they returned the favour.
I notice that your Samuel works on the railway as does Robert- links them, although there is 10 yrs or so difference in ages.
However I still can't see Samuel  Undecided
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Re: William Foster father of Samuel Foster
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 27 September 09 15:04 UTC (UK) »
Yes I think the 1841 and 1851 Fosters are the same family. I can't find Samuel in 1851.  No Samuel does not witness Robert and Mary's wedding. I have this cert though because Mary later marries an Unsworth whose son marries another relative (Foster) daughter of Samuel, so the two families are connected.
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