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Topic: Looking for William Scott last seen in Manchester in 1901 (Read 594 times)
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Merv.
Thought I would post here leading on from your Scottish post www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,390247.0.html to help you keep responses on William altogether 
Going by the names of William's two daughters, Euphemia Wintrup Scott and Jane Hogg Scott. As you have said, Jane Hogg was second born and named after William's mother. Likely first born Euphemia was named after Isabella's mother (following Scottish naming pattern). I wonder if these are Isabella's details:
Isabella Miller Birth: About 1854 Teviothead, Roxburgh, Scotland
Parents: James Miller and Euphemia WINTROP.
If I was to guess at this stage, with William's father named William (first born son c. 1882) and then Isabella's father named James (second born son c. 1884), they still seem to be following naming pattern with these names...
Now to find the proof 
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MonicaLesl
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There is a marriage showing on Scotlands People, the official pay to view site for BMDs and census images for a William Scott and an Isabella Miller in 1878 in Hawick Roxburghshire. Scottish marriage certs will include full parents' details including mothers' maiden names. This will let you verify that it is your William's first marriage.
This looks a possible entry for the Isabella we are talking about in the 1861 census:
James Milles 65, Gamewatcher b. Teviothead Roxburgshire
Euphemia Milles 49, b. Lilliesleaf, Roxburghshire
Douglas Miller 12 (daughter (?) b. Teviothead Roxburgshire
Isabella Miller 7 b. Teviothead Roxburgshire
Address: Loughburnfoot, Teviothead Roxburgshire
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MonicaLesl
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Might be worthwhile you checking out deaths on Scotlands People www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk for Isabella. There are only two showing for an Isabella Miller/Scott b. 1854 +/- 5 yrs between 1883 -91. One that looks a possibility took place in 1888 in Dumfries, Dumfries-shire. Scottish death certs include spouse details together with full parents' names, if known to the informant. There is also a birth showing in Dumfries in 1883 for a James Miller Scott which I wonder if it could be the James birth you are looking for. Scottish birth certs. include parents' marriage details (place and date) .... I'm beginning to sound like an advertisement for Scottish BMDs 
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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mgscott
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Monica, your intuition was correct. You've certainly found William's first wife. I used Scotlandspeople as you suggested.
The June 3, 1888, death record of Isabella Christ___ Scott in Dumfries Parish was married to William Scott and was the daughter of James Miller and Euphemia Miller (Maiden Surname Wintrop). You'll remember of course that the name of my William's first daughter was Euphemia Wintrop so therefore named after his wife's mother.
Also, the sept 12, 1883 birth of James Miller Scott, son of William Scott, Horticulture Builder and Isabella Scott (MS Miller). I can't read their address but it's in Dumfries Parish.
So....Isabella is the mother of the 4 children (Euphemia, Jane, William and James) but she died in 1888. The 1891 census therefore lists William's second wife, Mary. And it looks like William married his 3rd wife, Janet Jackson, in Oct-Dec, 1900 (need cert to confirm).
How's that for a night's work on Scotlandspeople?
Merv.
ps. Thanks so much Monica.
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Scott-Ettrickbridge, Ashkirk
Stutt-Boyhill, Fermanagh
Newton-North Plantagenet(CAN), Ireland
Grieve-Roberton, Lilliesleaf
Hodgins-Cloughjordan, Tipperary
Elliot-Canonbie, Bogra, Holmhead, Annan, Egremont
Little-Canonbie, Kingsbridgeford, Thirlwall, Wallasey
McAlister-Louth Co., Queen's Co.
Smith-Whitehaven
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mgscott
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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I've now downloaded from Scotlandspeople the marriage of Isabella Miller and William Scott on Feb 5, 1878, Hawick, Sco. It proves to be the correct William Scott of my lineage so confirms his first wife as Isabella Miller.
Also downloaded birth of his first son William, born on Jan 23, 1882 at Dumfries, confirming his mother as Isabella Miller too.
A good night of findings.
Merv
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Scott-Ettrickbridge, Ashkirk
Stutt-Boyhill, Fermanagh
Newton-North Plantagenet(CAN), Ireland
Grieve-Roberton, Lilliesleaf
Hodgins-Cloughjordan, Tipperary
Elliot-Canonbie, Bogra, Holmhead, Annan, Egremont
Little-Canonbie, Kingsbridgeford, Thirlwall, Wallasey
McAlister-Louth Co., Queen's Co.
Smith-Whitehaven
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mgscott
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Earlier in this string of postings Suz stated she had found William/Isabella's daughter Euphemia Wintrup Scott had married Hugh Randal McNeil (Jun qtr 1900 Chorlton 8c 1665). Suz also found them later, in 1901 census, living at 5 Bold Street, Stretford, Lancs. Hugh was listed as Tailor's Cutter.
I'm hoping someone could determine for me whether they had any children?
Merv
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Scott-Ettrickbridge, Ashkirk
Stutt-Boyhill, Fermanagh
Newton-North Plantagenet(CAN), Ireland
Grieve-Roberton, Lilliesleaf
Hodgins-Cloughjordan, Tipperary
Elliot-Canonbie, Bogra, Holmhead, Annan, Egremont
Little-Canonbie, Kingsbridgeford, Thirlwall, Wallasey
McAlister-Louth Co., Queen's Co.
Smith-Whitehaven
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suzard
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Isbellas death reg names her as Isabella Christ_______ Scott
Wonder if her middle name was Christina - and Euphemia named one of her children after her ??
Children of Euphemia and hugh Randal mcNeill
Isabella christina mcNeill
Jun qtr 1902
Barton I
8c 453
Birth reg FreeBMD
Jeanie Mc Neill
Sept qtr 1905
Prestwich
8d 453
Douglas Alexander McNeill
Sept qtr 1908
Chorlton
8c 976
Hugh McNeil
mar qtr 1911
Chorlton
8c 976
there may be more children but haven't found them
There are a lot of McNeill -mother Scott- 1912 onwards W Derby district but not certain if they were Euphemia/Hugh children
Will PM you with information I cannot post here
Suz
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Thornhill, Cresswell, Sisson, Harriman, Cripps, Eyre, Walter, Marson, Battison, Holmes, Bailey, Hardman, Fairhurst Noon-mainly in Derbys/Notts-but also Northampton, Oxford, Leics, Lancs-England Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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suzard
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Wonder where the Newell surname fits in
These are birth regs of children who died in infancy -posted by Migky
Julie M McNeill
mother's maiden name Newell
Jun qtr 1842
Manchester
8d 99
Rodney G Newell
mother's maiden name newell
Dec qtr 1945
manchester
8d 343
so the later child may have been illegit???
Difficult one to sort out??
Suz
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Thornhill, Cresswell, Sisson, Harriman, Cripps, Eyre, Walter, Marson, Battison, Holmes, Bailey, Hardman, Fairhurst Noon-mainly in Derbys/Notts-but also Northampton, Oxford, Leics, Lancs-England Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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mgscott
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Wow. You are so fast I can't keep up.
Migky, thanks so much for finding William's burial. Is Southern Cemetery a part of the Phillips Park Cemetery in Manchester?
Merv
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Scott-Ettrickbridge, Ashkirk
Stutt-Boyhill, Fermanagh
Newton-North Plantagenet(CAN), Ireland
Grieve-Roberton, Lilliesleaf
Hodgins-Cloughjordan, Tipperary
Elliot-Canonbie, Bogra, Holmhead, Annan, Egremont
Little-Canonbie, Kingsbridgeford, Thirlwall, Wallasey
McAlister-Louth Co., Queen's Co.
Smith-Whitehaven
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mgscott
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Thanks to some wonderful people I have learned a great deal about this part of my family. The picture of this family is truly taking shape. Simply amazing.
I wonder if anyone could help guide me on finding an newspaper obituary about the James Miller Scott of Rybank Road, Manchester who was buried on July 29, 1941 at Southern Cemetery (age 57). That might lead to his family and a possible descendant living today....a connection for me?
Merv
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Scott-Ettrickbridge, Ashkirk
Stutt-Boyhill, Fermanagh
Newton-North Plantagenet(CAN), Ireland
Grieve-Roberton, Lilliesleaf
Hodgins-Cloughjordan, Tipperary
Elliot-Canonbie, Bogra, Holmhead, Annan, Egremont
Little-Canonbie, Kingsbridgeford, Thirlwall, Wallasey
McAlister-Louth Co., Queen's Co.
Smith-Whitehaven
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