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giraffe
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I have found what I believe is a record of my great-uncle Harry Price, but cannot understand most of it.
(1911.co.uk Military Records). It looks like a Census page, but is perhaps of a barracks or hospital? The information is as follows:-
Heading: Return of all Commisioned Officers, Warrant Officers, Non-Commissioned Officers, Trumpeters, Drummers and Rank and File.
Name: Harry Price, Private, age 21, single, 24 Coy RAMC, Sick Attendant, born Wolverhampton, Staffs.
Further details are: Name of Institution REASC RAMC AVC and Staff and Departments
Address: Harrismith O F S, County: Overseas Military
He is on Page 9 of 14, and another detail is (RG14 PN34977 RD641 SD2 ED3 SN9999)
I know he was alive in 1932 (father's Death Certificate), and I have a photo of him in uniform, but would love to know more about him in 1911, and in particular this entry.
Can anyone help please?
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PRICE Edward (c.1860) Harry PRICE (1891) Frank PRICE (c.1897), Arthur PRICE (1884). Compton, Tettenhall, Wolverhampton, Staffordshire.
GARFIELD, Edgbaston and Wolverhampton
JOHNSON, Wolverhampton and Bilston
ATKINS, Wolverhamptonand Bilston
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km1971
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Address: Harrismith O F S, County: Overseas Military
This is Harrismith, Orange Free State in South Africa so it looks to be a 1911 Census entry. You have been sent it, as if you obtained it online you must have been in 1911Census.co.uk at the time, and this is a Pay to View site. RG14 is another clue. The 1901 Census is RG13 etc. RG stands for Registrar General. He has overseen the census since 1861. Before that, they have the reference HO, for Home Office.
As a Private he was ‘Rank and File’, ie Corporals and below.
Coy is army shorthand for Company. So he was in 24 Company of the RAMC. He must have been a Regular. He would have enlisted for 12 years (after the age of 18), but he could have spent the last nine years in the Army Reserve. If he elected to go into the AR he would have been recalled at the start of WW1. If his papers survive they will be in the ‘WW1 Service Records’ on Ancestry. They have not got up to the Ps yet. If he was still serving after 1921 his papers will be with the MOD. It would also be worthwhile looking in the pensions file as he would have been entitled after his 12 years was up.
You could try and find a medal index card for him. But with such a common name you may have a problem.
BTW the other abbreviations will be RE, ASC, AVC etc. You can use Google to discover what they mean.
Ken
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giraffe
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Thank you Ken, Yes, it was the 1911Census site I found the info on (decided to use some birthday money). I shall certainly follow up your search suggestions. When enhanced, the photo shows him with sergeant's stripes, so must have been taken after 1911, and his brother is in the '1915' uniform (without pocket pleats), so you have also narrowed down the photo date too!
I am very ignorant about Army history, can you tell me why he would have been in South Africa, or where I can look to find out what was going on there in 1911?
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PRICE Edward (c.1860) Harry PRICE (1891) Frank PRICE (c.1897), Arthur PRICE (1884). Compton, Tettenhall, Wolverhampton, Staffordshire.
GARFIELD, Edgbaston and Wolverhampton
JOHNSON, Wolverhampton and Bilston
ATKINS, Wolverhamptonand Bilston
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km1971
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A quick scan of the July 1914 Army List shows there were three infantry battalions in South Africa. Even after the creation of the Union of South Africa (190?) Britain was still responsible for defence. It was also convenient for sending troops to India if they were needed in a hurry. There were about the same number of infantry in Egypt, which is about the same distance to India.
Flying the flag was also still needed in SA as there had been a Zulu rising in 1906 and some Boers were still fretting over the Boer War.
Where you have 2-3000 infantry you need RA, RE, RAMC, ASC etc to support them. The 23 RAMC company had headquarters in Roberts Heights, Pretoria in July 1914. Unfortunately 24 Coy is the only one not listed.
Ken
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giraffe
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Thanks again Ken,
So, if I have this right, Harry was definitely at Harrismith in 1911, but probably not in 1914?
I will have yet another root around for his MIC.
It's hard to be patient, but it looks as though I will have to wait for the 'P's to be available. When it does happen, I may be able to find his brother Frank's Service Record too!
Would there be a description anywhere of a Sick Attendant's duties, or is it the same as 'nurse'?
(Sorry to keep badgering, I would just like to know more about his life).
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PRICE Edward (c.1860) Harry PRICE (1891) Frank PRICE (c.1897), Arthur PRICE (1884). Compton, Tettenhall, Wolverhampton, Staffordshire.
GARFIELD, Edgbaston and Wolverhampton
JOHNSON, Wolverhampton and Bilston
ATKINS, Wolverhamptonand Bilston
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km1971
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If you google sick berth attendant you will get lots of background.
Ken
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