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purplepassion
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Can You Help Identify this soldier?
« on: Thursday 02 July 09 00:33 UTC (UK) »
Can anyone help me identify this soldier?  It is the clearest photo I have, perhaps someone can recognise the uniform or badges?  It has been suggested he may be a Bandsman.

http://members.tripod.com/judith_gannaway/Soldier.htm

Thanks for any help you can offer.  Man may have links to New Zealand and England.

Regards,
purplepassion.
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Re: Can You Help Identify this soldier?
« Reply #1 on: Friday 03 July 09 09:44 UTC (UK) »
Lieutenant - British Army circa late 1860's/early 1870's.

Any clues as to the original photographer?

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Re: Can You Help Identify this soldier?
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 04 July 09 00:47 UTC (UK) »
Thanks for your help, unfortunately I don't have the original copy.  I don't think a photographer was mentioned.

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Re: Can You Help Identify this soldier?
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 23 July 09 14:14 UTC (UK) »
Hi
The picture isnt very clear but i would say that the gentleman was of at least of Sgt rank due to the fact he looks like he is wearing a sash running across his body from left shoulder, this would have been red in colour and is still worn to this day by senior non commissioned officers in the British Army.

Sorry i cant be of more help

regards

Paul Minor

oops ive just read that officers wear sash over left shoulder and snco over right so i do apologise.
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Re: Can You Help Identify this soldier?
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 23 July 09 14:39 UTC (UK) »
just googled uniforms of irish regiments for the time period suggested previously, and looking at the collar it looks like it could be a crown badge on it.
 Also with you saying that it has something to do with ireland and new zealand i think it may be someone from the 18th regiment of foot the Royal Irish.
The 2nd Battlion apparently moved from New Zealand to Australia in March 1870 and began its return to England in August 1870 and they were the last British Foot( infantry) regiment to serve in Australia.

Have a look at this it gives some basic info:- http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~garter1/18thfoot.htm
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Re: Can You Help Identify this soldier?
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 23 July 09 22:25 UTC (UK) »
Hi Paul,

Thanks for your reply, don't worry I find all the different uniforms very confusing.  Thanks for trying.

Regards,
Jude

Quote from: MinP237 on Thursday 23 July 09 14:14 UTC (UK)
Hi
The picture isnt very clear but i would say that the gentleman was of at least of Sgt rank due to the fact he looks like he is wearing a sash running across his body from left shoulder, this would have been red in colour and is still worn to this day by senior non commissioned officers in the British Army.

Sorry i cant be of more help

regards

Paul Minor

oops ive just read that officers wear sash over left shoulder and snco over right so i do apologise.
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Re: Can You Help Identify this soldier?
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 23 July 09 22:27 UTC (UK) »
Thanks for your help, I will look into the 18th regiment and see what I find. 

Regards,
Jude.

Quote from: MinP237 on Thursday 23 July 09 14:39 UTC (UK)
just googled uniforms of irish regiments for the time period suggested previously, and looking at the collar it looks like it could be a crown badge on it.
 Also with you saying that it has something to do with ireland and new zealand i think it may be someone from the 18th regiment of foot the Royal Irish.
The 2nd Battlion apparently moved from New Zealand to Australia in March 1870 and began its return to England in August 1870 and they were the last British Foot( infantry) regiment to serve in Australia.

Have a look at this it gives some basic info:- http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~garter1/18thfoot.htm
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Re: Can You Help Identify this soldier?
« Reply #7 on: Friday 24 July 09 10:21 UTC (UK) »
Jude,

The crown is his insignia of rank, prior to 1881 commissioned ranks wore their designation of rank on their collar, it is not a regimental collar badge.

Given the time-frame I have previously given the ranks were as such:

Ensign - no badge.
Sub-Lieutenant (latter 2nd Lieutenant) - star (commonly known as a pip.).
Lieutenant - Crown.
Captain - Crown & star.
Major - Star, but would an elaborate collar braiding design.
Lieutenant-Colonel - Crown, with more braiding on the collar.
Colonel - Crown & star, again with more braiding on the collar.

The only thing that would reveal the identity of this officer's regiment would be a close-up on the buttons on the original photograph.

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Re: Can You Help Identify this soldier?
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 25 July 09 02:13 UTC (UK) »
Thanks Isandlwana,

I am trying to get a better copy of the photo.  Thanks again for your help, it's very much appreciated.

Jude.
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