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corisande
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DM2 in ASC
« on: Thursday 02 July 09 07:20 UTC (UK) »

I am having trouble getting anywhere with my grandfather's WW1 record. The medal card exists, below, but someone checked Kew and told me that his actual service record was destroyed.

The medal card gives 2 service numbers
A/451950
DM2/118592

Trawling Google tells me that "A" numbers are "Special Reserve" which appears to be a sort of pre-WW1 TA

And "DM2" was "Army Service Corps Mechanical Transport Learners, discontinued 11/1916" However I do not think that is correct as there were hundreds of thousands of ASC servicemen with DM2 numbers and none with other DM numbers. I think that this stuff about DM2 is a result of "cut and paste" of one persons thoughts on DM2 on a number of other sites.



Does anyone know any more than I have on "A" and "DM2". ?

I seem to have reached a dead end as I have no idea where he served and there appears to be no way of finding out? The medal card is singularly lacking in any details!
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Re: DM2 in ASC
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 02 July 09 08:25 UTC (UK) »

ASC Prefixes, Table 3 to 'More Sources of
World War 1 Army Ancestry [Third Edition] Norman King'.


If you can get hold of or someone has a copy of the above publication you may find something.
Im sure DM2 would be a driver within the 2nd Army formed in 1914.
He didnt go overseas before 1916 as no star.
The Medal Roll for RASC MAY give more info unfortunately not online.

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Re: DM2 in ASC
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 02 July 09 08:31 UTC (UK) »

Ady

Thanks for that.

I had come across the thing about "a driver in 2nd Army" too, but I did not think that could be correct as ALL service numbers in ASC seem to have DM2 - in other words there are no DM1, DM3, DM4 or DM5 for drivers with the other British Armies in France.

As you say DM2 does appear to be a driver, but I am trying to winkle out any more than that.
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Re: DM2 in ASC
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 02 July 09 18:08 UTC (UK) »

DM/2 relates to 'Mechanical Transport Learners'  and 'A' to 'Horse Transport (Special Reserve)
Source: Army Service Corps 1902-1918, Michael Young, published by Leo Cooper 2000 (Appendix M of this volume)

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Re: DM2 in ASC
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 02 July 09 19:43 UTC (UK) »

Sue

Thanks you for that reference - what I do not understand is the "learners" bit, in other words what happened when they passed the driving test (or whatever) did they drop the DM2 or what? The ASC had hundreds of thousands of soldiers in it during WWI, I must try AbeBooks to see if I can get a copy of the one you refer to.

To go off at a tangent I see you are researching the QAs. My mother was a QA and was evacuated from both Athens and Crete when the Germans went in. The story is here , I have spent quite a while on researching her story. Ther is a lot in Kew in the original dispatches from the matron.
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Re: DM2 in ASC
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 02 July 09 20:31 UTC (UK) »

The NA medal website has less than 300 men with prefix starting DM/2 in the ASC, out of a total of 420,000 +. Maybe they ran the learning centre, rather than were learners themselves.

Also, the Special Reserve was nothing like the TA. The equivalent of the TA was the TF. Before WW1, these were 'saturday night soldiers' - one evening a week; a few weekends a year and a two week annual camp. The Special Reservists spent 4 to 6 months fulltime training on enlistment, followed by 6-8 weeks annual training for six years. While serving they were paid the same rate as Regulars. The TF were not paid.

If you post his Axxxxxx number on the Great War Forum an ASC specialist may be able to tell you when he enlisted.

Ken

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Re: DM2 in ASC
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 02 July 09 20:40 UTC (UK) »

Ken

Thanks. Forgive my ignorance, but what is the NA Medal website, I cannot find it with a simple Google  Smiley
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Re: DM2 in ASC
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 02 July 09 21:07 UTC (UK) »

Ken

I managed to find 21,901 of them! What a pity that something as vast as the ASC seems to have proved  so unappealing over the years to serious researchers - the Mike Young book is packed with information, but still only skims the very top surface.

Corisande

What a great story you've put together about your mother and in such amazing depth - it must have taken a lot of intricate research to figure it all out.  My main interest is in the period up to the end of the Great War, and unfortunately there are far fewer official sources - The National Archives have a lot of really interesting documents about WW2.  I just need a second lifetime!

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Re: DM2 in ASC
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 02 July 09 21:19 UTC (UK) »

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/browse-refine.asp?CatID=10&searchType=browserefine&pagenumber=1&query=*&queryType=1

NA Documents online Medal Index Cards. Smiley

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Re: DM2 in ASC
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 02 July 09 21:40 UTC (UK) »

Ady

Thanks for the clarification, joys of not living in UK

Anothor joy is trying to track down a copy of Youngs book on ASC - the only one I have found online so far is at WH Smith - and they only will deliver in UK, not to Europe. Unless I can find another supplier with it in stock, I'll have to get a copy sent to my sister in Uk and get her to forward it  Angry
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Re: DM2 in ASC
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 04 July 09 08:28 UTC (UK) »

Sorry, Ady has answered the question about NA medal site. I missed the fact you got your image from Ancestry.

The National Archives scanned the medal index cards in the 1980s I believe. The Western Front Association saved about 90% the original cards from the skip, and Ancestry are publishing them, in colour and including both sides. The remaining 10% - including women's went else where.

http://www.british-genealogy.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-4833.html

You should always search the NA site even if you have Ancestry, as they have missed some, and the NA search facility is a lot better/easier to use than Ancestry's.

If you don't want to save Ady's link, use this one - http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/medals.asp - and remember to click on search

Ken
 
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Re: DM2 in ASC
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 04 July 09 08:40 UTC (UK) »

Ken

Thanks for the additional information. particularly about the missing ones.

I have come across the same sort of problem in Ireland where  in that case sites will have most but not all, of the Griffiths records.

Its the old saying "the absence of evidence is not necessarily evidence of absence"
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