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Snozzer
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I'm at a loss, trying to trace the later years of labourer William Morris (b 1809 at Fawkham, Kent), listed on the 1841 census at White Horse Alley, Finsbury. He's not among the family in the 1851 return, and I have several possibles on the deaths register -- two (Jul-Sep 1842 or Jul-Sep 1844) in nearby Shoreditch; three, with slight variations in first names, in the City: William Thomas (Apr-Jun 1850), William Henry (Apr-Jun 1851) and James William (Apr-Jun 1845). There is also (bearing in mind that it may have been simply a family break-up) a William Morris in the London City list for 1880.
Do I face the possibility of ordering up to half-a-dozen death certificates, or is there an easier way to check?
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Valda
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Hi Snozzer
If you have only been able to find the William Morris you are interested in on the 1841 census, how have you been able to prove it is the William Morris who was baptised in Fawkham Kent in 1809? If it was him presumably you know whether he had a second name or not as evidenced from his baptism and later marriage?
Is William's wife with him in 1841 and does she survive until 1851? If so does she give her status as widow?
Some of the City of London burials may be covered by the Cliff Webb index
http://www.originsnetwork.com/help/popup-aboutbo-blb2.htm
You can also try the City of London cemetery finding aid which starts with the opening of the cemetery in 1856 and at present goes up to 1859.
http://www.haywain.net/burials/search.asp
Unfortunately burial parish indexes centre on the square mile of the City only. Cemeteries attracted burials from larger areas, so the City of London cemetery would have burials from people living further away from the square mile of the city.
Regards
Valda
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Snozzer
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Hi, Valda,
No proof, I'm afraid, just a considered stab. No birthplace is given for William in 1841; I assume he was born in a different county. His wife is a widow in 1851, living at the same address, with two sons no longer on the return. However, a third (James) is there, 10 years older, and another son, who I am satisfied is my great-grandfather, has arrived. I can't make any kind of guess, however, as to what drew their father from Kent to marry a Walthamstow girl in Walthamstow!
Thank you for your cautionary words, and for the two burial indexes; they've given me a new direction.
John
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Valda
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Hi John
Morris ranks as 31st most common surname in this country (according to the Office of National Statistics)
http://www.taliesin-arlein.net/names/search.php
and after John, William in 1841 was probably second or third in line as the most common male name.
There seems no evidence from the 1841 census other than William states he was not born Middlesex and he gave his age as 32 that he could have been born in Fawkham. The yes and no on the 1841 census of born in or out of county is unfortunately unreliable.
I'm not sure where James comes in the 1851 census or where Walthamstow comes into it at all?
1841 census HO107 669/2 folio 29
White Horse Alley St Sepulchre
Wm Morris 32 Labourer Not born in county (or as they are within the City it might mean not born in the square mile of the City of London - which wasn't within Middlesex)
Hannah Morris 29 born in county
Wm Morris 9 born in county
Jas Morris 5 born in county
John Morris 1 born in county
1851 census HO107 1515 folio ?
18 White Horse Alley St Sepulchre
Hannah Morris 38 Head Widow Tailoress City of London
John Morris 11 Son City of London
David Morris 9 Son City of London
The two most likely death registrations would be in the registration district the family lived in which was West London (as in the West part of the City of London - the square mile)
Deaths Sep 1841
MORRIS William W London 2 158
Deaths Sep 1845
MORRIS William London W 2 169
The last known child born to the couple (the baptism since it is late might indicate whether William was by then deceased, but you would have to check the actual register). David's birth certificate since he was registered (and born) later than the first 1841 death registration should also give an indication if his father was deceased at the time of the registration and birth. That would leave the 1845 death registration as the more likely of the two (providing there is no evidence that William had a middle name).
DAVID MORRIS
Birth: 22 OCT 1841
Christening: 27 JUN 1847 St Mary Whitechapel, Stepney, London
Father: WILLIAM MORRIS
Mother: HANNAH
Brother John born 31st July 1839 was baptised at the sametime.
David's birth certificate must have given you Hannah's maiden name to enable you to find William and Hannah's marriage?
Births Dec 1841
Morris David W London 2 218
Therefore David's birth and his baptism might give the evidence to narrow down William's death between 22nd October 1841 (or possibly earlier) and 27th June 1847 putting the 1845 death registration at this point as the likeliest contender.
Re your 'considered stab' for William Morris' birth in Fawkham. The evidence that I have access to at present makes it look more on the side of a guess. Perhaps you can explain what has lead you to consider Fawkham as a possibility? Do you have the details of William's baptism?
Have you by the way also checked Fawkham's burial registers to see whether William baptised in 1809 survived childhood - always worth checking first. There doesn't seem to be any other Morrises born Fawkham on the censuses.
Regards
Valda
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