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Topic: Funeral Train from Ilkley to Scholemoor Cemetery 1902? (Read 648 times)
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charlotteCH
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In Feb 1902 the Bradfrord Observor carried an article about the funeral of my grandfather Charles Henry Hargreaves. It says,
" A short servive was conducted at the deceased residence, Sunnybank Ilkey, by the Rev. F.H.Blanchford- who subsequently officiated at the graveside- and the remains were afterwards conveyed to Bradford by train." There followed a long list of those who had assembled at the station and accompanied the cortege to the cemetery.
Was there a special funeral trainused for this and what was it like?
Did it operate along the same lines as the ordinary Bradford-Ilkley train? If this was so, it would have had to be scheduled to run at times between ordinary trains.
Did the train go to a special station at Scholemoor?
I assume the estate of the deceased paid for the train.. any idea what it would have cost?
On another ppoint,l was the holding of a service at the house usual or unusual? why not at their church?
Any info about this is of interest..
Thanks,
charlotte
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HARGREAVES, HANSON, BAILEY, BURTON, HEWITT, JAGGER, LOCKWOOD, UTTLEY, RUDD, TAYLOR, HOLDEN, SHAW Halifax / Sowerby/ Southowram 18C+
GILL, Accrington, Blackburn, West Derby, Lancs, migrated USA 1891 to RI: GILL in SC: HOTCHKISS in RI: PELOQUIN in RI
HUMPHRIES, HILLIER, ALLEN, LYDBURY Nunney/Frome 18-19C
HUMPHRIES, JOYCE, HEWITT, ROBINSON, McMULLEN, SUFFEL, CARNEY, MARRON, COMPTON, FREEMAN Ont. Canada 1830+
PILSEN, Sask.
82nd Regt of Foot 1808-1825
1st WRY Militia 1780-1800
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kiwihalfpint
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Hi Charlotte,
Do you mind if I sit quietly in the corner and listen in?  I have a few in my tree where the train was used and would like to know the answer.
Cheers
KHP
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charlotteCH
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Hi khp, Delighted 
Presumably from the house or church to the station there would have been horse drawn vehicles- hearse I suppose- with horses decked out in black with plumes on their heads...
I wonder if the cemeteries had mortuary station into which these trains came? Then how was the coffin moved from the station to the graveside? More horse drawn vehicles? And all the mourners walking? The distances may have been quite large as the cem were big.
Whole topic is interesting as it is a bygone era for us with motor cars.
let's hope we get lots of info to help understand this.
charlotte
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HARGREAVES, HANSON, BAILEY, BURTON, HEWITT, JAGGER, LOCKWOOD, UTTLEY, RUDD, TAYLOR, HOLDEN, SHAW Halifax / Sowerby/ Southowram 18C+
GILL, Accrington, Blackburn, West Derby, Lancs, migrated USA 1891 to RI: GILL in SC: HOTCHKISS in RI: PELOQUIN in RI
HUMPHRIES, HILLIER, ALLEN, LYDBURY Nunney/Frome 18-19C
HUMPHRIES, JOYCE, HEWITT, ROBINSON, McMULLEN, SUFFEL, CARNEY, MARRON, COMPTON, FREEMAN Ont. Canada 1830+
PILSEN, Sask.
82nd Regt of Foot 1808-1825
1st WRY Militia 1780-1800
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charlotteCH
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That's an interesting link and thanks for that, bikermickau. 
I wonder how much it all cost...
charlotte
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HARGREAVES, HANSON, BAILEY, BURTON, HEWITT, JAGGER, LOCKWOOD, UTTLEY, RUDD, TAYLOR, HOLDEN, SHAW Halifax / Sowerby/ Southowram 18C+
GILL, Accrington, Blackburn, West Derby, Lancs, migrated USA 1891 to RI: GILL in SC: HOTCHKISS in RI: PELOQUIN in RI
HUMPHRIES, HILLIER, ALLEN, LYDBURY Nunney/Frome 18-19C
HUMPHRIES, JOYCE, HEWITT, ROBINSON, McMULLEN, SUFFEL, CARNEY, MARRON, COMPTON, FREEMAN Ont. Canada 1830+
PILSEN, Sask.
82nd Regt of Foot 1808-1825
1st WRY Militia 1780-1800
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kiwihalfpint
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Very interesting to read.
As you say the cost ..... was there a different rate for the different classes?
Cheers
KHP
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charlotteCH
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khp, do you mean different classes of carriage as in 1st class,2nd class etc... ie tickets on the train?
That brings a new thought to mind about funeral trains... were they regular trains- ie say run twice a week on a declared schedule between places- in this instance Ilkley and Bradford or were they hired by the family of the deceased and only that one body and its mourners travelled on the train?
I'd assumed the later to be the case..
charlotte
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HARGREAVES, HANSON, BAILEY, BURTON, HEWITT, JAGGER, LOCKWOOD, UTTLEY, RUDD, TAYLOR, HOLDEN, SHAW Halifax / Sowerby/ Southowram 18C+
GILL, Accrington, Blackburn, West Derby, Lancs, migrated USA 1891 to RI: GILL in SC: HOTCHKISS in RI: PELOQUIN in RI
HUMPHRIES, HILLIER, ALLEN, LYDBURY Nunney/Frome 18-19C
HUMPHRIES, JOYCE, HEWITT, ROBINSON, McMULLEN, SUFFEL, CARNEY, MARRON, COMPTON, FREEMAN Ont. Canada 1830+
PILSEN, Sask.
82nd Regt of Foot 1808-1825
1st WRY Militia 1780-1800
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kiwihalfpint
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Charotte I guess I wasn't thinking straight when I typed it.
I was thinking more of status, as in upper class, middle class etc Not everyone was in the money, but yet to get to a cemetery with the train, there had to be money that passed hands, but was it all one price?
This is one subject that I have never persued, so there are so many answers to questions to find out.
Cheers
KHP
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charlotteCH
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khp... who ever does think straight 
Re who paid for the train? I'd think the family of the deceased unless it was a scheduled funeral train that burials had to fit in with... but even then I'd guess the dec'd family paid to have the coffin transported and maybe paid for several carriages to accomodate the mourners...
In the case I quote at the beginning of this thread, money was not tight so the family would have paid and the mourners been taken free. Of course there would have been a return trip by train after the interrment... so many things we never know about...
charlotte
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HARGREAVES, HANSON, BAILEY, BURTON, HEWITT, JAGGER, LOCKWOOD, UTTLEY, RUDD, TAYLOR, HOLDEN, SHAW Halifax / Sowerby/ Southowram 18C+
GILL, Accrington, Blackburn, West Derby, Lancs, migrated USA 1891 to RI: GILL in SC: HOTCHKISS in RI: PELOQUIN in RI
HUMPHRIES, HILLIER, ALLEN, LYDBURY Nunney/Frome 18-19C
HUMPHRIES, JOYCE, HEWITT, ROBINSON, McMULLEN, SUFFEL, CARNEY, MARRON, COMPTON, FREEMAN Ont. Canada 1830+
PILSEN, Sask.
82nd Regt of Foot 1808-1825
1st WRY Militia 1780-1800
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ricky1
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Hi Charlotte
http://www.peacefunerals.co.uk/Railway.html
ricky
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charlotteCH
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Thank you ricky ... I knew we needed a train buff
So it would seem it was a specially commissioned train, paid for by the family...which I assume had to be scheduled to run in time available between the ordinary trains- and this then went off the main line near Bradford to a special line that lead into Scholemoor Cem.
What I posit above assumes that in 1902 the arrangements are similar to those offered on your link... many assumptions there.
charlotte
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HARGREAVES, HANSON, BAILEY, BURTON, HEWITT, JAGGER, LOCKWOOD, UTTLEY, RUDD, TAYLOR, HOLDEN, SHAW Halifax / Sowerby/ Southowram 18C+
GILL, Accrington, Blackburn, West Derby, Lancs, migrated USA 1891 to RI: GILL in SC: HOTCHKISS in RI: PELOQUIN in RI
HUMPHRIES, HILLIER, ALLEN, LYDBURY Nunney/Frome 18-19C
HUMPHRIES, JOYCE, HEWITT, ROBINSON, McMULLEN, SUFFEL, CARNEY, MARRON, COMPTON, FREEMAN Ont. Canada 1830+
PILSEN, Sask.
82nd Regt of Foot 1808-1825
1st WRY Militia 1780-1800
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kiwihalfpint
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Maybe Ricky has this in mind for his 
Night catch you later.
Cheers
KHP
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dave the tyke
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Hi Charlotte,
I knew this topic would generate lots of interest.
The nearest train station to Scholemoor cemetery was on the Bradford to Halifax line at the Bradford side of Beckside road. I do seem to remember a platform that served Baird Television and the mill, at the other side of Beckside Road. From there it would be about a mile to Scholemoor cemetery, there was no branch line so I would imagine a horse drawn carriage would be used.
Dave
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charlotteCH
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Hi Dave,
So the funeral train would have left from Ilkley Station, gone into Bradford and then onto the Hx line and pulled into the station near Beckside Rd. The coffin and morners would have got off the train and then travelled the last mile to the Cem and graveside by horse drawn carriage... and done the reverse on the trip back.
Is that how you'd think this all went in 1902?
charlotte
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HARGREAVES, HANSON, BAILEY, BURTON, HEWITT, JAGGER, LOCKWOOD, UTTLEY, RUDD, TAYLOR, HOLDEN, SHAW Halifax / Sowerby/ Southowram 18C+
GILL, Accrington, Blackburn, West Derby, Lancs, migrated USA 1891 to RI: GILL in SC: HOTCHKISS in RI: PELOQUIN in RI
HUMPHRIES, HILLIER, ALLEN, LYDBURY Nunney/Frome 18-19C
HUMPHRIES, JOYCE, HEWITT, ROBINSON, McMULLEN, SUFFEL, CARNEY, MARRON, COMPTON, FREEMAN Ont. Canada 1830+
PILSEN, Sask.
82nd Regt of Foot 1808-1825
1st WRY Militia 1780-1800
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dave the tyke
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Hi Charlotte,
I don't see any other way unless the funeral train was routed from the Ilkley line onto the Halifax line. I think that it might even have involved a change of station in Bradford  . The rail network was far bigger then than now, it might even have been possible to go the other way round i.e. Ilkley, Skipton, Keighley, Halifax, Bradford.
One alternative would have been a train from Ilkley to Bradford then a horse drawn hearse travelling the 5 miles or so to Scholemoor with the mourners following on foot or perhaps in horse drawn 'charavans' .
There are wide aisles at Scholemoor so carriages, hearses and so on would be able to drive right to the grave side.
There was a web site dedicated to 'underground Brittain' where there was a lot of older railway information, try Google it.
Bradford T&A as well as the Observer might have reported the funeral, if so then the staff at Bradford Library might be able to help you.
Dave
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