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richard aguilar hall
« on: Thursday 02 July 09 11:48 UTC (UK) »
hi,looking for help on richard aguilar hallc1861lived liverpool,ithink was a cashier,also his son edwardc1888 macclesfield?a chief stewart childwall liverpool,any help would be great!
           colin Smiley
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Re: richard aguilar hall
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 02 July 09 11:58 UTC (UK) »
Ok, I asked on the other post for clarification.

Where has this info come from?
I can't see it on 1891/1901, there's no richard on BMD's so can we assume that you have a marriage cert/1911 census?

Which is it and what else does it contain?

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Re: richard aguilar hall
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 02 July 09 14:05 UTC (UK) »
There are a few Aquilla Halls around, and I spotted a marriage for a John Aquilla Hall too. (Aquilla is a biblical name, a couple called Priscilla and Aquilla) Are you sure that is not his middle name?
Though I could not see anything for a Richard Aquilla.
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Re: richard aguilar hall
« Reply #3 on: Friday 03 July 09 07:05 UTC (UK) »
Hi...I have checked on freebmd for all the richard a hall and richard aguilar...nothing...the only one that looks to be a "maybe "is a Richard Hall b Ormskirk 1860 ref no 8b 488 .....not that far from Liverpool.....
on Lancsbmd the above birth is registered Bickerstaffe.
.ALL the Aguilar births right up to 1915 are in the London area.
....this is a puzzler....I`ll keep looking.....allan
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Re: richard aguilar hall
« Reply #4 on: Friday 03 July 09 08:35 UTC (UK) »
Hi,

This looks like a possible family in 1891:

Edmonton Middlesex
RG12/1069/107 Page 35

Richard A Hall  40
Eliza Hall    36  b.
George J Hall 11
Edith Hall    8
Edward Hall 4
May Hall    2
Emily Hall    1/12

but they are all down as born in London area, and Richard is a warehouseman in a meat factory  Huh  Fits in with Garstonites finding only Londoners.

I'll see if this Richard/Eliza marriage turns up on bmds

 Smiley Barbara

PS Ignore this postand move on to the next two!!
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Re: richard aguilar hall
« Reply #5 on: Friday 03 July 09 08:56 UTC (UK) »

Aha - found Edward in the Historical Directories:

Edward Hall, Chief Steward, 29 Stanford St, Liverpool S.  From Gores alphabetical directory for 1900.  http://www.historicaldirectories.org

That suggests that Edward was born a lot earlier than 1888, as age 12 is a bit young to be a Chief Steward  Grin 

Maybe it was Edward, not Richard, that was born in 1861?

 Smiley Barbara
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Re: richard aguilar hall
« Reply #6 on: Friday 03 July 09 09:20 UTC (UK) »
Edward is coming up on a People search in the 1911 using search terms Edward Hall + (occupation) Chief Steward + (place of birth) Liverpool

Year of birth 1865.  Location in 1911, West Derby

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Re: richard aguilar hall
« Reply #7 on: Friday 03 July 09 10:25 UTC (UK) »
well done barbara...just checked lancashirebmd.....no Liverpool births for edward hall for 1865...4 on record...I`ll try freebmd....allan
no joy there either...I`ll try 1864 and 1866...nothing on lancsbmd from 1861-1868...nothing on freebmd 64-65-66..
...OKAY...freebmd 1861 to 1869 there`s only ONE EDWARD HALL B LIVERPOOL...
EDWARD HALL B LIVERPOOL 1867 MARCH QTR   Ref No 8b 231..**********
.double ckecking lancs for 1867....
definitely NOT on Lancashire bmd....can someone check if the 1867 birth is on Ancestry Huh....allan
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ok....ON FREEBMD REGISTERED WEST DERBY (not Liverpool,West Derby is a register office IN Liverpool)
1863 June Qtr   8b 308   ******

1867 Mar Qtr   8b 299    ******
1867 Mar Qtr    8b283...  *****
.so there are FOUR possibilities..  ******        ..allan
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Re: richard aguilar hall
« Reply #8 on: Friday 03 July 09 11:25 UTC (UK) »
I went back to the 1911 & did some more guess work; Edward is coming up as married  around 1900 and there is at least one other person with surname Hall there as well. No-one called Richard though.

However I would treat the 1900 with caution, as AT LEAST one man that I know does not know the date, let alone, the year of his marriage!  Grin Grin Grin

Smiley Barbara

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Re: richard aguilar hall
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 08 July 09 13:29 UTC (UK) »
hello nice people,sorry about the delay in replying but i had 2 root canals followed by an infection-still recovering!anyway sorry to be  so sketchy but my neighbour is in his eighties and i can only get bits and pieces out of him although he is a retired police sergeant and still drives and is a mason.
                                                                                                                ok, from what i can work out:from marriage certificate edward hall occupation chief steward married lydia williams at st catherines church,edge hill,liverpool,3 july 1924,lived at 64 jubilee drive.
                                                     my neighbour albert,edwards son,thinks he married the barmaid lydia,that is alberts mother,edwards wife.
                                                                                                   he says she was barmaid at the bridge inn,childwall valley road,liverpool,which edward went on to run.
                        albert thinks his father had a brother called george
                        albert says his father was in the merchant navy
                        p.s.lydia lived at 1 overbury road liverpool in 1924
                  he has no knowledge of his roots at all and if i and you nice people can pull together it will a nice thing to do and put it in his xmas card,please let me know if i've forgotton anything-probably the obvious!
                                                                                          got to go for now-pain killers beckon! highest regards coln Undecided
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Re: richard aguilar hall
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 08 July 09 16:46 UTC (UK) »
so in 1924 we have a Edward Hall, Chief steward age (Unknown) . No fathers info on there?
Bride is lydia williams age also unknown , father unknown/not given.

What names witness?

Pauline
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Re: richard aguilar hall
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 08 July 09 17:58 UTC (UK) »
Hi Pauline

We think he is born c. 1865

From 1911 census search:
Edward Hall, occ Chief Steward, age 46 (in 1911), married around 1900, residence in West Derby district. So looks like Lydia might have been 2nd wife.

There is a marriage in 1898, Liverpool, Edward Hall to Agnes Simm. And another in West Derby 1899, Edward Stanley Hall to Florence Taylor.

Hi Colin - ouch!  You poor thing. Hope the painkillers are kicking in OK.

Smiley Barbara
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Re: richard aguilar hall
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 08 July 09 18:32 UTC (UK) »
A marriage cert is factual, the census entries are conjecture at this time.
and apart from which, there are kids of this 1924 marriage, is it likely Edward Hall stated a family aged 60-odd?

Pauline
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Re: richard aguilar hall
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 08 July 09 21:24 UTC (UK) »
Quote from: PaulineJ on Wednesday 08 July 09 18:32 UTC (UK)
A marriage cert is factual, the census entries are conjecture at this time.
and apart from which, there are kids of this 1924 marriage, is it likely Edward Hall stated a family aged 60-odd?

Pauline

It will certainly be interesting to find out  Smiley
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