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keebleancestors
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Mary Ann BICKNELL, born 1814 Wigan
« on: Monday 06 July 09 14:21 UTC (UK) »

Could SKS see if they can find a baptism (or anything) that would lead me to this lady's parents? This is a strange Family. She married an Irishman, had children by him, then they dumped them in a Scottish boarding school and disappeared for a few years, then re-appeared. Well, that's how it looks. I'm sure there's more to the story. Anyway, I'd like to trace her background.

Many thanks.


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Re: Mary Ann BICKNELL, born 1814 Wigan
« Reply #1 on: Monday 06 July 09 16:32 UTC (UK) »

Is Bicknell her maiden name if not what is her married name as well please?

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Re: Mary Ann BICKNELL, born 1814 Wigan
« Reply #2 on: Monday 06 July 09 17:09 UTC (UK) »

There are not many Wigan baptisms on line. Do you have an idea of which area in Wigan? R.


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Re: Mary Ann BICKNELL, born 1814 Wigan
« Reply #3 on: Monday 06 July 09 20:52 UTC (UK) »

She married a William Mears, I don't have a date. I got her maiden name from their daughter's marriage record.

As to the area, all I have is the censuses giving me her date and birthplace.

It is offered as follows:

1851 Census (Wigan) Born Wigan, 1814
1861 Can't find either of them
1871 Census (Ince in Makersfield, and Lower Ince, Wigan) Born Wigan 1823 (not 1828 as transcribed on Ancestry)

The age discrepancy is odd, the original images of 1851 and 1871 show the ages quite clearly, but I'm assuming the 1851 entry is more correct as her husband was born 1813.


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Re: Mary Ann BICKNELL, born 1814 Wigan
« Reply #4 on: Monday 06 July 09 22:11 UTC (UK) »

Hi,

According to the IGI William Mears married Mary Ann Bicknell on the 26th August, 1849 at St. Mary le Strand, Westminster London.

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Lancs: Harrison, Entwistle, Devine, Grundy, Ashworth, Freeman, Jackson, Rushton
Cornwall: Rich, Binney, Peake
Devon: Walters

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Re: Mary Ann BICKNELL, born 1814 Wigan
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 07 July 09 00:59 UTC (UK) »

Oh thanks Mo. This couple travelled around so much, I've never seen anything like it.


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Re: Mary Ann BICKNELL, born 1814 Wigan
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 07 July 09 01:07 UTC (UK) »

Fascinating thing about William is that in 1851 he's a coal miner, but on his daughter's marriage record (1877) he's a piano teacher (but deceased). I cannot decipher the occupation on the 1871 census, but the word teacher is there. How did a coal miner afford to put his kids in a Scottish boarding school by 1861? And where did he and Mary Ann go? Was he such a good piano teacher he was able to rise up the social ladder?

I live in hope that someone who knows this may read this entry some day, even after it's been archived.


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Re: Mary Ann BICKNELL, born 1814 Wigan
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 07 July 09 07:05 UTC (UK) »

Hi,

William Mears occupation on the 1871 census was a Furnace Tenter and written above it is Iron. That is if it is the one living in Ince in Makerfield.

Are you certain that you have the right family?

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Re: Mary Ann BICKNELL, born 1814 Wigan
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 07 July 09 11:26 UTC (UK) »

Oh boy, LOL. I understand you asking that question, but here's the thing......It has to be the right family. How many William Mears born in Ireland in 1813 married Mary Anns born in Wigan can there be?

I think Furnace Tester maybe? But whatever it is..................makes no sense.

Honestly, these people just make my head hurt.


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Re: Mary Ann BICKNELL, born 1814 Wigan
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 07 July 09 12:58 UTC (UK) »

Hi, I'm no expert but would offer the following:

Did you get the Ireland birth from the census? It's just that there was a William Mears born in Wigan in 1815.

Also, why not send for the above marriage cert (reference is on freebmd) then you may find out more about Mary Ann's parentage?

Do you have the names of the children?

Happy to help where I can as I live in the Wigan area.


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Re: Mary Ann BICKNELL, born 1814 Wigan
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 07 July 09 13:10 UTC (UK) »

Yes, that's the answer, I shall have to get that certificate because now I don't think it is Wigan. Argh.


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Re: Mary Ann BICKNELL, born 1814 Wigan
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 08 July 09 15:13 UTC (UK) »

Hi,

If I'm looking at the right children in Scotland 1861, there is William MEARS age: 11 and Louisa A MEARS age: 5, (both born England) boarders at Glasgow College, Lanarkshire. Also boarding there are,

Alexander WARDROP   35 Pianist Glasgow Lanark
Mary Ann WARDROP 29 Vocalist England
Alexander WARDROP 16 Merchants Clerk Glasgow Lanark

I mention this because my theory is...

Mo has found a marriage of William MEARS and Mary Ann BICKNELL in 1849 in the Strand London. I found this birth in the Strand,

William James MEARS Mar Q 1850 Strand 1 394

This could be William Snr and Mary in 1851, but I can't find William Jnr,

1851 HO107/1878 f.451 p.13 Plymouth Charles The Martyr, Devon
Pack Horse Inn, 13 Week Street

Mary A MEARS Visitor Mar 19 Professor of Music Middlesex St James
William MEARS    Visitor Mar 22 " " " "

There are also these births,

Emma Jane MEARS Mar Q 1852 Plymouth 5b 244

Louisa Hannah MEARS Dec Q 1855 Strand 1b 363

and these christenings,

Emma Jane MEARS
Birth: 21 DEC 1852
Christening: 20 FEB 1853 St James, Westminster, London
Father: William MEARS
Mother: Mary Ann

Louisa Hannah MEARS
Birth Date: 22 Sep 1855
Christening Date: 14 Oct 1855
Christening Place: Westminster, London, England
Father: William MEARS
Mother: Mary Ann

In 1861 Emma MEARS is with her grandmother,

1861 RG09/175 f.19 p.32 St Anne, Strand, Middlesex
16 Little Dean Street

Sarah BICKNELL      Head W 56 Music Printer   St James Middlesex
Elizabeth "    Daur    U 18 Milliner St Anne Middlesex
Sarah   "      Daur    U 14 No Occupation    St Anne Middlesex
Emma MEARS   Granddaur     9 Plymouth Devon
Annie CAPEL   Granddaur 5m St Anne Middlesex
Edward HARMSTON Son In Law M 34 Music Printer St George Southwark
Emma   " Wife M 37       St James Middlesex
Alice " Daur 6    St Anne Middlesex
Henry " Son 4       St Anne Middlesex
Edward "    Son 2 St Anne Middlesex

In 1871 the children seem to be reunited in Scotland, I can't see the image so not sure about 'Jeff',

39 Caledonia Rd, Glasgow Govan Lanarkshire

Alexander WARDROP   Head 44 Pianist Glasgow, Lanark
Mary Ann "       Wife 39 Vocalist    England
Jeff MEARS    Stepson 21 Engineer Plainer    England
Emma MEARS Stepdaur 19 Vocaless England
Louisa MEARS    Stepdaur 15   England
John WARDROP        Father 76 Glasgow, Lanark
Richd LANGDELL Nephew 8 Scholar    England

So I think William MEARS Snr died early and Mary remarried Alexander WARDROP both between 1855 and 1861, just when and where Undecided

Regards
Daisy


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keebleancestors
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Re: Mary Ann BICKNELL, born 1814 Wigan
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 08 July 09 17:22 UTC (UK) »

Daisy, you've found half the puzzle. I re-checked Louisa's marriage and Mary Ann did indeed marry Alexander Wardrop, so all that fits in.

I did a very careless thing, and I should know better, and assumed that the only William Mears, married to a Mary Ann, must be The Couple. Hence Wigan. But clearly it wasn't. I couldn't find any other couple in the entire UK to fit, and that Devon one did not show up on all my wildcard searches a number of ways, so well done indeed for finding it.

The Jeff part baffles me. It has to be a bad transcription of William, but quite how, I don't know.

Many thanks for your fine detective work. I was literally up all night on this and got nowhere. I bow to you!!!!


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