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Topic: Which Joseph MURRELL is the father? (Read 451 times)
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Tom Piper
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Florence Gertrude Swann was born on 30th January 1858 in Lowestoft, Suffolk, daughter of Mary Ann Swann, of Towring St. No father's name is on the birth certificate.
On her marriage certificate she named her father as Joseph Murrell, fish merchant, Lowestoft.
In 1861 census there are 3 contenders- Joseph Murrell born 1810, Southend on Sea, living at Denmark Street; Joseph Murrell born 1833, Southend on Sea, fish merchant, in Towring Street, and Joseph Murrell born 1838, Chelmsford, a fish buyer, living in Chapel lane, incidentally the same street as that of Florence & her grand parents.
Maybe the baptism record would have the father's name on it-anyone have access to it?
All the above Joseph's were married at the time. Joseph born 1833, divorced his wife in 1867, but in Grimsby.
Completed thanks
Tom
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trish1120
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The fish merchant, Towering Street, esp as it seems he had unhappy marriage.
Trish
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Tom Piper
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Yes okay for guess work, I know he seems the favourite, but I wonder if there was a mention on her baptismal record.
If not, I wonder if there was a bastard hearing so that the child's mother could obtain some income for her child-where could I find out that?
Tom
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The Yokel
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Hi Tom
That would be Tonning Street in Lowestoft
regards
yokel 
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Tom Piper
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Yokel,
Tonning Street, okay, yes I see it now, with Denmark Street running parallel, but closer the docks.
Tom
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The Yokel
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yes it is still there near the railway station not far from the docks
yokel
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The Yokel
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Put Tonning Street into http://maps.google.co.uk/
looks like Lowestoft has the only one
oops didn't see your reply come in
yokel
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Tom Piper
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Yokel,
Yes I modified previous post. This is Joseph's signature.
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The Yokel
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Tom,
The Joseph age 50 in Denmark Street, Fish Merchant
and Joseph age28 in Tonning Street, Fish Dealer
do you think they could be Father and Son
(Doesn't help to find Florence's father though)
Where did Mary Ann get to in 1861, I assume she married either John Briton or James Brown?
yokel
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Tom Piper
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Yokel,
They are uncle and nephew, Joseph 28's father was John Murrell, wife Hannah Brookes, John's brother was Joseph. Joseph was on the Lowestoft Council I think, died in 1864. I am not sure what happened to the Swann side of it but their family were well known in Lowestoft too!
Tom
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Tom Piper
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Yokel,
She married a Peter Walker on May 31st 1882 at Lowestoft Parish Church.
Tom
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alstark
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Where did Mary Ann get to in 1861, I assume she married either John Briton or James Brown?
yokel
Mary Ann maried John Britteon to whom she had 8 children.
Florence Gertude Swan married Peter Walker in 1881. They are my GGparents. One of the witnesses was Florence's half sister Elizabeth Rose Britteon.
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