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MIGKY
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ANY CLUE ON WHAT THIS IS? ROYAL NAVY HELP
« on: Thursday 02 July 09 15:35 UTC (UK) »
Hi, has any one got a clue on what this document is? It is the right man to link in with my family tree but i really not sure what this is. I have this man on the Irelands 1911 census for Galway, he is occupation is down as Army pension/farm lab. As usual i chuck money at things and then can't understand what i paid for.  Embarrassed
Any help please?
Migky  Wink

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« Reply #1 on: Thursday 02 July 09 15:49 UTC (UK) »
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Series  -  Admiralty: Royal Navy Registers of Seamen's Services


It's what it says, the service record of a Royal Navy man.
On the face of it, doesn't fit with your record of an Army pensioner.
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« Reply #2 on: Thursday 02 July 09 15:53 UTC (UK) »
Looks to me like Naval Service Personnel Records. If you Google it comes up with a number of explanations.  One site states:

"The Registers of Seamen's Services give the Service Records of rating who joined the Royal Navy between 1873 and 1923. They do not cover service after 1928".  

This is an old thread on Rootschat:
"You can now search and download the service registers of more than 500,000 ratings (non-Officer
crew member) who joined the Royal Navy between 1853 and 1923. The Registers of Seamen's Services
will help you find details about your ancestor's birth, their occupation and which ship or ships
they served on, and in the later records, a description of their physical appearance."

Julie
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MIGKY
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« Reply #3 on: Thursday 02 July 09 16:08 UTC (UK) »
Thanks to both of you, i was not sure if it was a royal navy or merchant navy record. So it really should have said navy pension on the 1911 census but as the numerator had his name spelled the wrong way and that is after Bartley & his wife had signed the census for to ( Martyn not Martin)   Grin So not only me that has a dizzy day now and then Shocked

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« Reply #4 on: Thursday 02 July 09 18:33 UTC (UK) »
Most men were discharged from the army aged 30 to 35. If his service record survived it should therefore be in the section for men discharged 1883 to 1900. Luckily you do not need to know his regiment as they are filed alphabetically.

At present you will have to visit Kew and obtain a readers ticket. Findmypast will be putting them online by 2011.

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/militaryhistory/army/step4.htm

Ken
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MIGKY
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« Reply #5 on: Thursday 02 July 09 18:44 UTC (UK) »
Cheers for that but not sure now if he was in the army after me buying that doc for Royal navy?
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MIGKY
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« Reply #6 on: Thursday 02 July 09 18:47 UTC (UK) »
I think i can get some one to go for me but i need the exact location for any records for him as they are like me and totally lost when it come to searching there ( me on line and them in Kew)
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« Reply #7 on: Friday 03 July 09 08:15 UTC (UK) »
Quote from: MIGKY on Thursday 02 July 09 18:44 UTC (UK)
Cheers for that but not sure now if he was in the army after me buying that doc for Royal navy?

He thought he had been in the army:



And he signed the form

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« Reply #8 on: Friday 03 July 09 09:32 UTC (UK) »
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He thought he had been in the army:

Hi Ken,
you have me a little confused now, why would you say that? The document i purchased is the right man and he is dischards as " Unfit " in 1889 aged 32. I wonder if he could have at some later point joined the army and maybe got a pension from them?
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« Reply #9 on: Friday 03 July 09 14:06 UTC (UK) »
We need to go back to your first post. You said he was in the 1911 census for Galway down as an Army pensioner and Farm Labourer. But you posted a link to the service record of a RN man.

You later said you thought he may not have been in the army. But the census record would have been completed by him, and you can see it has not been added to by the enumerator. I would have thought that they are for different men.

To be aged 48 in 1911 he would have been born c1862, so five years out from the RN man.

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« Reply #10 on: Friday 03 July 09 14:21 UTC (UK) »
I am 99% sure they are the same man, but then again there is allways that 1%  Grin
Reading the navy doc, he seemed to have spent a fair bit of time in cells and at one point 6months in Bodmin gaol, bit of a bad boy i think. It does not state what for? He seemed to have only spent three years in the navy. I have been told the originally sign on for 12 years? So a short service but discharges as "unfit"
I wonder if any one with navy knowledge could shed more light on this please?

Migky Wink 

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« Reply #11 on: Saturday 04 July 09 10:31 UTC (UK) »
Here are what records i have for this man and his family:


1) The National archives Royal navy document with his date of birth been 1st Oct 1866.

2) His marriage transcribe, 1892 Galway records age 27 making his birth year 1865.

3) 1901 census transcribe age 34, making his birth year 1867.

4) 1911 original census age 48, making his birth year 1863.


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