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Topic: France: George Samuel Weymss DALRYMPLE (Read 589 times)
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Shizara
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I am looking for a birth for:
George Samuel Weymss DALRYMPLE who was born in France c1829. His mother's first name is Eliza, but have no idea with regard to the name of his father and assume the surname is also DALRYMPLE.
Any assistance would be appreciated.
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KILLEY, MULCARE, FAIRCLOUGH, GRIFFITH, BREADNER, Lancashire, England.
BROOKS, COLE, PURCHASE, MAY, LITTELL, HOWELL, MULCARE, CANE, East London, England.
DALRYMPLE, HANKINS, BAKER, HERBERT, HICKSON, COOK, South Island, New Zealand.
LENNOX, Toronto, Ontario, Canada.
LENNOX, DAYE, BROWN, Berkshire, England.
THOMSON, Carrickfergus, Ireland.
DALRYMPLE, Midlothian, Scotland.
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JustKia
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I've had a quick look on geneanet but I can't see anything coming up for him, sorry.
Do you have any further idea as to what part of France he might have been born in?
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MARLOW/JECOCK - Northamptonshire/Warwickshire : WIMBUSH/JUSTICE - Oxfordshire/Warwickshire : SCALES/BRIDGES/ENGLISH/JARMAN - Suffolk : GARRETT/GIBBS - Warwickshire : DEVOS - Scotland (Aberdeen)/France(Dunkerque) : MURRAY - Ireland(Down)/Scotland(Lochs) : TIGHE/TREACY - Cork Stanley Charles SCALES b.1899 - Where are you? *** Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Shizara
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I don't have a lot and have no idea who his parents were, except that his mother was Eliza.
He was born in L'Orient, France and I believe spent some of his younger years in Belgium, later going to Scotland.
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KILLEY, MULCARE, FAIRCLOUGH, GRIFFITH, BREADNER, Lancashire, England.
BROOKS, COLE, PURCHASE, MAY, LITTELL, HOWELL, MULCARE, CANE, East London, England.
DALRYMPLE, HANKINS, BAKER, HERBERT, HICKSON, COOK, South Island, New Zealand.
LENNOX, Toronto, Ontario, Canada.
LENNOX, DAYE, BROWN, Berkshire, England.
THOMSON, Carrickfergus, Ireland.
DALRYMPLE, Midlothian, Scotland.
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jorose
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http://scecp.cg56.fr/etat-civil/index.jsp
Morbihan departmental archives online.
The tables decennales for Lorient (1823-1832) do show him:
Dalrymple, Geo(?) Saml. Wemyss, 1828 Xbre 18 (18 December 1828).
This means that his birth was registered with the French civil authorities.
There is also a municipal archive and they have put some births for Lorient online.
http://recherche.archives.lorient.fr/
(choose Etat-civil et Délibérations en ligne from the left hand side).
I read George's birth as (page 101 of the 1828 births)
On the 18th December 1828 at 11am, George Wemyss Dalrymple, propriétaire, aged 28, presented a male infant, son of himself and Eliza Thompson Hall, his wife, married at (Guernsey?), (7th August 1826?), the child named George Samuel Wemyss.
http://books.google.com/
shows a death in 1848 if you search for George Wemyss Dalrymple, "son of late Lieut Col James Dalrymple", died in Glasgow.
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JustKia
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Wow, jorose, what a great find!
That's going to help Shizara lots.
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MARLOW/JECOCK - Northamptonshire/Warwickshire : WIMBUSH/JUSTICE - Oxfordshire/Warwickshire : SCALES/BRIDGES/ENGLISH/JARMAN - Suffolk : GARRETT/GIBBS - Warwickshire : DEVOS - Scotland (Aberdeen)/France(Dunkerque) : MURRAY - Ireland(Down)/Scotland(Lochs) : TIGHE/TREACY - Cork Stanley Charles SCALES b.1899 - Where are you? *** Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Shizara
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What a wonderful find!!
This will indeed help such a lot!!! I have been stumped on this one for a while.
George's granddaughter says they were connected with the titled Dalrymple family in Scotland, but have never proven the link. This will help tremendously.
Thank you!
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KILLEY, MULCARE, FAIRCLOUGH, GRIFFITH, BREADNER, Lancashire, England.
BROOKS, COLE, PURCHASE, MAY, LITTELL, HOWELL, MULCARE, CANE, East London, England.
DALRYMPLE, HANKINS, BAKER, HERBERT, HICKSON, COOK, South Island, New Zealand.
LENNOX, Toronto, Ontario, Canada.
LENNOX, DAYE, BROWN, Berkshire, England.
THOMSON, Carrickfergus, Ireland.
DALRYMPLE, Midlothian, Scotland.
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jorose
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Glad to help.  French records are very good, you just have to know your way around them a little.
A search for "Lieut Col James Dalrymple" on Google Books brings up another hit in the Gentleman's magazine for that 1848 death, this one for George-Wemyss Dalrymple, son of the late Lieut Col James Dalrymple of the Madras Army and grandson of the late Sir William Dalrymple, Bart., of Cousland.
http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/
has the will of George Wemyss Dalrymple available to download. It's only 1 page long but might give sufficient information to show that this is indeed the same person as was listed on the birth record.
If this _is_ the right one, then it's a very interesting family! Here's a mention of Lieut. Col. James that says he was married to Mooti Begum, daughter of the Nawab of Masulipatam, with five children including four sons:
http://www.lib.mq.edu.au/digital/seringapatam/hyderabad.html
Another mention of him:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2002/dec/09/britishidentity.india
It seems you should try and contact this William Dalrymple who has done quite a lot of research on this family.
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Shizara
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Have sent an email to William Dalrymple as suggest.. Here's hoping.
Finally deciphered the spidery writing on the probate record for George Wemyss Dalrymple who died 1848, Paisley, Scotland. Because it is pre 1855 there won't be a registration that a certificate can be applied for.
Still searching for a birth for George Wemyss Dalrymple and wondering if maybe
1. The father is the same Lieutenant Colonel James Dalrymple as mentioned in thePeerage.com as being the son of Sir William Dalrymple, 3rd Baronet as it says he wasn't married and there are no children listed for him there.
2. If he is the same person who married Mooti Begum, daughter of the Nawab of Masulipatam, with five children including four sons. The answer may well be here, especially as a descendant had mentioned an Indian connection but I didn't know if it was Canadian Indian as one side of her family were from Canada or someone from India, so, I put the name Mooti Begum into Google books and came up with more detail on the background. About how they couple agreed to split the children according to their sex and the boys going to Madras to be raised as Christians later returning to East Lothian and Scottish society.
Thanks to the Google Books suggestion I have found lots of references to Lieutenant Colonel James Dalrymple. I looked on thePeerage.com page 3465 and found a Lieutenant Colonel James Dalrymple:
Lt.-Col. James Dalrymple d. 1800
Father: Sir William Dalrymple, 3rd Bt. b. 23 Sep 1704
Mother: Anne Philp
Grandfather: Sir John Dalrymple, 2nd Bt. d. 24 May 1743
Grandfather's wife: Elizabeth Fletcher
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KILLEY, MULCARE, FAIRCLOUGH, GRIFFITH, BREADNER, Lancashire, England.
BROOKS, COLE, PURCHASE, MAY, LITTELL, HOWELL, MULCARE, CANE, East London, England.
DALRYMPLE, HANKINS, BAKER, HERBERT, HICKSON, COOK, South Island, New Zealand.
LENNOX, Toronto, Ontario, Canada.
LENNOX, DAYE, BROWN, Berkshire, England.
THOMSON, Carrickfergus, Ireland.
DALRYMPLE, Midlothian, Scotland.
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AMBLY
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Hi Shizara
Have you come across this webpage:
http://www.electricscotland.com/history/nation/dalrymple.htm
Huge amount of information....in part:
(1) Sir James DALRYMPLE, 2nd son of 1st Viscount of Stair......was the ancestor of the Dalrymples of Cranstoun
Created a baronet of Nova Scotia, 28th April 1698.
Married 3 times and had eight sons and five daughters
His 2nd wife was the widow of William FLETCHER of New Cranstoun - whose daughter Elizabeth FLETCHER became in 1702, the wife of his eldest son, Sir John DALRYMPLE.
His (1) third son Robert DALRYMPLE , was father of Admiral John DALRYMPLE who died October 1798
His (1) eldest son, Sir John Dalrymple, was married twice and had five sons and six daughters.
Sir John's first wife was Elizabeth FLETCHER (married 7 Aug 1702) who was eldest daughter of William FLETCHER of New Cranstoun. Sir John's widow mother-in-law became his father's 2nd wife. Sir John died 24 May 1743 and was suceeded by his eldest son, Sir William DALRYMPLE, 3rd baronet
3 other DALRYMPLE descended from the 1st Viscount Stair:
Dalrymples of North Berwick (created 1697 Nova Scotia)
Dalrymples of Hailes in Haddingtonshire (now Dalrymple-Fergusson, baronet) (created 1700 Nova Scotia)
Dalrymples of High Mark, Wigtonshire (created 1815 England)
The first of the Dalrymples of Hailes:
Hon. Sir David DALRYMPLE , an eminent lawyer: 5th son of the first viscount of Stair (ie: younger brother of Sir James DALRYMPLE (1). Sir David was created a Baronet in 1700.
Sir David's eldest son, his sucessor as 2nd baronet, was another Sir James Dalrymple (2) the 2nd baronet, who held the office of auditor of the exchequer.
Sir James DALRYMPLE (2), son of Sir David.
Sir James (2) wife was , Lady Christian HAMILTON, second daughter of Thomas, sixth earl of Haddington
Sir James and Lady Christian had 16 children:
Their edest was Sir David, Lord Hailes, the eminent lawyer and historian
Their 5th son (and a seperate bio says he was their 7th child) was Alexander DALRYMPLE the distinguished hydrographer....
which leads me to:
http://adbonline.anu.edu.au/biogs/A010263b.htm
Biography of Alexander DALRYMPLE (1737 to 1808) hydrographer and propagandist
born on 24 July 1737 at New Hailes, near Edinburgh as the the 7th of sixteen children of Lieutenant-Colonel Sir James Dalrymple and his wife, a daughter of the earl of Haddington.
Cheers
AMBLY
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gene-genie
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Weymss is a small village in Fife Scotland - now nearly engulfed by Kirkcaldy. Has an Earldom attached to it.
Henry Dalrymple married Helen dau Earl of Weymss in 1757.
Don't thnk author is related - Richard Francis Weymss 8th Earl changed family name to Charteris before he died in 1914 - (maybe he got fed up of people not being able to spell it
I live in Fife - let me know if I can help.
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Shizara
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Thank you..
I have arrived at the point where it would seem that William Dalrymple 3rd Bart of Cousland is the father of Lieut-Col James Dalrymple.
The only marriage I can find for Lieut-Col James Dalrymple isn't on an official record. It is to be found by searching Google Books, coming up with the writings of William Dalrymple who mentions the marriage of the Lieut-Col to Mooti Begum, an Indian princess.
Have found bits of information that would confirm that he was the son of William Dalrymple and that he had at least one son George Wemyss Dalrymple who died in Paisley, Renfrewshire in 1848. - I have his Will in a file.
The hunt continues..
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KILLEY, MULCARE, FAIRCLOUGH, GRIFFITH, BREADNER, Lancashire, England.
BROOKS, COLE, PURCHASE, MAY, LITTELL, HOWELL, MULCARE, CANE, East London, England.
DALRYMPLE, HANKINS, BAKER, HERBERT, HICKSON, COOK, South Island, New Zealand.
LENNOX, Toronto, Ontario, Canada.
LENNOX, DAYE, BROWN, Berkshire, England.
THOMSON, Carrickfergus, Ireland.
DALRYMPLE, Midlothian, Scotland.
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