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Topic: How to find William Scott's birth in 1882? (Read 500 times)
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mgscott
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I have determined that my ancestor, William Scott (born 1851, Lilliesleaf, Sco) had two boys born in Scotland: a William born about 1882 (according to 1891and 1901 census returns in Eng.) and a James born about 1884 (again, from 1891and 1901c); their mother's name on one census return was Isabell and the later was Mary...but i wonder if there is actually only one mother?
My problem is how to find Wiliam and James birth records. Using Scotlandspeople I get pages and pages of possibilties.
Confused.
Merv
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Scott-Ettrickbridge, Ashkirk
Stutt-Boyhill, Fermanagh
Newton-North Plantagenet(CAN), Ireland
Grieve-Roberton, Lilliesleaf
Hodgins-Cloughjordan, Tipperary
Elliot-Canonbie, Bogra, Holmhead, Annan, Egremont
Little-Canonbie, Kingsbridgeford, Thirlwall, Wallasey
McAlister-Louth Co., Queen's Co.
Smith-Whitehaven
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mgscott
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yes. Lilliesleaf is a small village in Roxbourghshire. My family were mostly in nearby Ashkirk during 1800's but some were from Lilliesleaf and some went to Lilliesleaf. All very close.
Merv
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Scott-Ettrickbridge, Ashkirk
Stutt-Boyhill, Fermanagh
Newton-North Plantagenet(CAN), Ireland
Grieve-Roberton, Lilliesleaf
Hodgins-Cloughjordan, Tipperary
Elliot-Canonbie, Bogra, Holmhead, Annan, Egremont
Little-Canonbie, Kingsbridgeford, Thirlwall, Wallasey
McAlister-Louth Co., Queen's Co.
Smith-Whitehaven
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ScottishAncestry
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Hi Merv,
Ok I looked first at the 1851 census but couldn’t seem to find William however he is in the 1861 census for Wilton where he seems to be recorded as 9 years old and is the son of William and Jane Scott. However when I went back to the 1851 census I still struggled to find them because Jane and William where living separately. Jane was living with her parents and although listed as married is in the census under her maiden name (Scottish thing, women are often referred to by their maiden name right through their life. This still continues on legal documents and Gravestones incidentally).
Anyway I then went to the IGI and searched for children of Jane Hogg and William Scott, only one has come up, William Scott born Lilliesleaf on the 9th of November 1852. It is a submitted entry so I would check it if I was you; you can use Scotland’s people to do this but now you know the date it should narrow it down for you.
Hope this helps you on your way,
Emma
1851
Ashkirk Parish,
Book 1, Page 2
Dimpleknowe
Robert Hogg; Head; Married; 60; Stocking weaver, £4 from Kinloch Bequest; Roxburgh, Ashkirk
Catherine Hogg; Wife; Married; 51; Stocking weaver’s wife; Roxburgh, Ashkirk
Jane Hogg; Daughter; Married; 26; Employed at home; Roxburgh, Ashkirk
Robert Hogg; Son; Unmarried; 21; Farm Servant; Selkirk, Roberton
Thomas Hogg; Son; Unmarried; 16; Farm Servant; Roxburgh, Ashkirk
Alexander Hogg; Son; Unmarried; 14; Scholar; Roxburgh, Ashkirk
Robina Hogg; Daughter; Unmarried; 12; Scholar; Roxburgh, Ashkirk
Elizabeth Grieve; Grand Daur; Unmarried; 4; Scholar at home; Midlothian, Edinburgh
1851
Ashkirk Parish,
Book 1, Page 1
Synton Mill
Adam Neil; Head; Unmarried; 65; Miller, master, employing 1 man, 1 woman; Farmer of 110 ac and ; Selkirk, Ashkirk
; 18 pasture employing 5 Labourers.
Margaret Neil; Sister; Unmarried; 70; Housekeeper; Selkirk, Ashkirk
Margaret Matthewson; Grand Niece; 8; Scholar; Roxburgh, Ashkirk
William Scott; Servant; Married; 24; Farm Servant; Selkirk, Ashkirk
Thomas Ewart; Servant; Unmarried; 22; Farm Servant; Dumfries, Ewes
Helen Brown; Servant; Unmarried; 20; Farm Servant; Selkirk, Selkirk
Helen Hogg; Servant; Unmarried; 21; Farm Servant; Roxburgh, Ashkirk
William Halliday; Servant; Unmarried; 21; Farm Servant; Ireland, Kerry
© 1851 Census Data — General Register Office for Scotland. Crown copyright. Reproduced with the permission of the Controller of the HMSO and Queen’s Printer for Scotland.
Published 2002 by Graham Maxwell Ancestry Research Services
Cleughside, Kirkpatrick Fleming, Lockerbie, Dumfriesshire, DG11 3NG
1861
Wilton Parish,
Book 5, Page 15
Under Hope Park, Wilton Village — 1 room, 1 scholar
William Scott; Head; Married; 34; Carter; Roxburgh, Ashkirk
Jane Scott; Wife; Married; 36; Roxburgh, Ashkirk
William Scott; Son; 9; Scholar; Roxburgh, Lilliesleaf
© 1861 Census Data — General Register Office for Scotland. Crown copyright. Reproduced with the permission of the Controller of the HMSO and Queen’s Printer for Scotland.
Published 2007 by Graham Maxwell Ancestry
Cleughside, Kirkpatrick Fleming, Lockerbie, Dumfriesshire, DG11 3NG
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mgscott
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You are very kind Emma. I was really hoping to learn about their grandchildren but you've given me new info so I"m very thankful. The 1852 William you've found had two boys, William and James. According to the 1891 census and 1901 census the William was born about 1882 in Scotland and the James was born about 1884 also in Scotland. But where, when and who was thier mother???
Any help appreciated because I get too many hits on Scotlandpeople to get anywhere.
Merv.
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Scott-Ettrickbridge, Ashkirk
Stutt-Boyhill, Fermanagh
Newton-North Plantagenet(CAN), Ireland
Grieve-Roberton, Lilliesleaf
Hodgins-Cloughjordan, Tipperary
Elliot-Canonbie, Bogra, Holmhead, Annan, Egremont
Little-Canonbie, Kingsbridgeford, Thirlwall, Wallasey
McAlister-Louth Co., Queen's Co.
Smith-Whitehaven
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MonicaLesl
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Hi All 
I thought maybe looking at the 1881 census would give a clue as to where William snr. was living to then have an idea of where to look for the births. However, a problem....there is only one William Scott in his age range and born Lilliesleaf but wife is not Isabella or Mary:
William Scott 28, agr. lab., b. Lilliesleaf, Roxburghshire
Jane Scott 29, wife, b. Oxnam, Roxburghshire
Address: 4 Hatherlie Park, Selkirk
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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mgscott
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Thank you Monica. I'm satisfied that I have found the 1881 census return from my William (b: 1851), as well as his 1891 census. In 1881 he's surfaced in Lancashire, Eng. and is living with his wife and 2 daughters who were born in England (one born 1879 and one born 1881). Further, his 1891 census return has him again in Lancashire but at a different home....and in addition are 2 new sons but both born in Scotland: William b: 1882 and James b:1884.
So what transpired? Had he moved back to Scotland in 1882 only to have the two boys and move back to Lancsashire? It may even be that his sons were born from a different mother than his first two daughters because the 1881 census shows wife as Isabella (b: 1854, Sco) and the 1891 census says wife is Mary (b:1859, Sco)? Clear as mud to me.
If I could find the Scottish birth of the 1882 William...or the 1884 James, it might shed some light on who their mother was, etc.
Merv
ps. I've got a Lancashire board discussion going on his events in Lancashire ....but was stymied by these 1882/1884 births in Scotland and the possibility of these multiple wives from Scotland.
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Scott-Ettrickbridge, Ashkirk
Stutt-Boyhill, Fermanagh
Newton-North Plantagenet(CAN), Ireland
Grieve-Roberton, Lilliesleaf
Hodgins-Cloughjordan, Tipperary
Elliot-Canonbie, Bogra, Holmhead, Annan, Egremont
Little-Canonbie, Kingsbridgeford, Thirlwall, Wallasey
McAlister-Louth Co., Queen's Co.
Smith-Whitehaven
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Merv
Is wife showing as Mary also on the family's 1901 entry?
Monica
Added: Just gone through the post on William on the Lancashire board and seen potentially up to 3 wives
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Merv
Just putting a link on for the post on William for ease of reference www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,390077.0.html
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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mgscott
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great idea on adding the link Monica. as for you 1901 question the wife of William Scott....at that time.....is a Janet Yes another wife. This one is likely Janet Jackson of Kendall, Eng.
thanks for all your help. trying to sort this out is beyond me.
Merv
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Scott-Ettrickbridge, Ashkirk
Stutt-Boyhill, Fermanagh
Newton-North Plantagenet(CAN), Ireland
Grieve-Roberton, Lilliesleaf
Hodgins-Cloughjordan, Tipperary
Elliot-Canonbie, Bogra, Holmhead, Annan, Egremont
Little-Canonbie, Kingsbridgeford, Thirlwall, Wallasey
McAlister-Louth Co., Queen's Co.
Smith-Whitehaven
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MonicaLesl
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You're doing well Merv - great info there on the Lancashire post. I added some posts on there to try and keep the main info on William all together for you under one main post
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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mgscott
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Success. With the guidance of Monica I've found the birth of William's brother James on Scotlandspeople. I've discussed the find fully on the Lancashire discussion board (which was mentioned earlier).
Therefore I see no need to keep this Scotland post open. Well done Monica, Emma and Ev. Thanks kindly.
Merv.
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Scott-Ettrickbridge, Ashkirk
Stutt-Boyhill, Fermanagh
Newton-North Plantagenet(CAN), Ireland
Grieve-Roberton, Lilliesleaf
Hodgins-Cloughjordan, Tipperary
Elliot-Canonbie, Bogra, Holmhead, Annan, Egremont
Little-Canonbie, Kingsbridgeford, Thirlwall, Wallasey
McAlister-Louth Co., Queen's Co.
Smith-Whitehaven
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