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eeyores4me
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Need help confirming which death is her
« on: Thursday 02 July 09 21:03 BST (UK) »
Lydia Lazarus born between 1816 and 1826 in Middlesex depending on which census
living with Parents and siblings in 1841 1851 and 1861 in Whitechapel.
living with Abraham Rose and wife Susan as either Mother or MIL but I am sure she is the unmarried mother of Susan ?? in 1871 1881 and 1891 .and she is their neighbour on the 1861 census
She also interestingly becomes Lydia Rose in 1891
Cannot find her on 1901 except for 2 deaths which are puzzling me.
1898 in Bethnal Green as Lydia Lazarus widow of Levy Lazarus( cannot find a marriage for them or a death for him) think its made up?
Says aged 84 informant is the head of the workhouse where she died .
1900 in Islington as Lydia Rose aged 74 of independent means
Informant is a Arthur Mignot Nephew in Law living at same address where she died Colebrooke Row Islington
Trouble is I cannot find the link between her and Arthur ?? he did marry a Flora Rose born 1858 Bow Middlesex but not sure what the connection is ??
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Re: Need help confirming which death is her
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 02 July 09 21:24 BST (UK) »
Hi

I don't know the answer to your question, but have you noticed that a 23 yr old Abraham Rose (married to an Esther) is enumerated next to the Lazarus family in the 1861 census? (The Roses are at no 4 and the Lazarus family at 19, enumerated consecutively  - perhaps across the road from one another?).

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Re: Need help confirming which death is her
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 02 July 09 21:30 BST (UK) »
hi and thanks or replying yes I mentioned that above I do have all the relevant census records and seeing as Abraham was born in 1834 in Russia she would have been a bit young to be his mother but Esther/Susan was born abt 1842 in Whitechapel, so much more likely her mother.
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Re: Need help confirming which death is her
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 02 July 09 21:39 BST (UK) »
Have you looked at Abraham Rose's marriage certificate?

As you say he was married in the 1861 census, right area but although this one looks a possibility raises more questions!

Abraham Rose
3Q 1857  Whitechapel, London  1c 754

Possible spouse - Susan Joel

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Re: Need help confirming which death is her
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 02 July 09 22:26 BST (UK) »
hi and thanks yes I have all the relevant census and marriage certs Abraham married her twice once as Susan Joel and again as Esther Joel its a very complicated family
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Re: Need help confirming which death is her
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 27 September 09 13:37 BST (UK) »
Does this help at all?

1880, Dec 18th St John at Hackney

Arthur Mignot, full age, bachelor, Hosier, of 148 Mare Street, father Arthur Mignot, Cook

Flora Rose, full age, spinster, no occ, of 3 Lamerton Road, father Walter Rose Builder

married after banns
both signed
witnesses: Arthur Mignot, Annie E Devon

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Re: Need help confirming which death is her
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 27 September 09 14:47 BST (UK) »
hi and thanks for your help that does look interesting will investgate and get back to you thanks again very kind of you
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