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mgscott
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our ancester, a Robert Grant from Strathspey, marched with Bonnie Prince Charlie in the '45. I know nothing about Strathspey or the Grant families there at that time. Can some give me a basic introduction please?
Merv
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Scott-Ettrickbridge, Ashkirk
Stutt-Boyhill, Fermanagh
Newton-North Plantagenet(CAN), Ireland
Grieve-Roberton, Lilliesleaf
Hodgins-Cloughjordan, Tipperary
Elliot-Canonbie, Bogra, Holmhead, Annan, Egremont
Little-Canonbie, Kingsbridgeford, Thirlwall, Wallasey
McAlister-Louth Co., Queen's Co.
Smith-Whitehaven
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larkspur3
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Hi Merv,
The problem here is that the place was crawling with Grants so it's hard to know where to start! Do you have any further details about Robert Grant, specifically which part of the clan, or which town/farm he came from? Or parents? Did he die in the fight? Get caught and exiled?
There's probably more than you care to read about that period of history at www.electricscotland.com/history/index.htm. Look under "Prince Charles Edward Stuart:
A very detailed account of Bonnie Prince Charlie's attempt at getting his father back onto the throne of Great Britain. The 1745 Rebellion."
Laura
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mgscott
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Thank you Laura. I'm afraid we know little of our Grants. My wife's family of Littles were living at Canonbie in the Borders at the time of the '45. According to the earliest entry in the family Bible, Peggy Grant came south from Speyside with her father but, for whatever reason, she remained in Canonbie as the army marched on by thru to Carlisle. I have since found records that confirm Peggy Grant's formal name was Margaret and that she was born about 1742.
Why was a 3 year old taken on this march to begin with? And why would she have been dropped off in Canonbie?
We do know that her father never came back to pick her up later and she never returned to Speyside so what happened to her father we also do not know.
Peggy Grant would grow up to marry Robert Little, from the Blacksmith family of Littles in Canonbie. I've had much luck tracing her descendants from that point but haven't had any breaks learning more about her Grant heritage. Any insignts into the Grants of Speyside would be appreciated.
Merv
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Scott-Ettrickbridge, Ashkirk
Stutt-Boyhill, Fermanagh
Newton-North Plantagenet(CAN), Ireland
Grieve-Roberton, Lilliesleaf
Hodgins-Cloughjordan, Tipperary
Elliot-Canonbie, Bogra, Holmhead, Annan, Egremont
Little-Canonbie, Kingsbridgeford, Thirlwall, Wallasey
McAlister-Louth Co., Queen's Co.
Smith-Whitehaven
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larkspur3
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Hi Merv;
I'm no Scottish history expert but my understanding is that during the '45 Rising the Grant Clan tried to stay neutral (having lost a lot in the '15), but that the chief of the Grants eventually came out in support of the British. This means that most of the clan branches in the Strathspey area probably did too, so your Robert Grant may have been on his way to join the British forces. The only Grant branch that supported the Jacobite cause was the Grants of Glenmoriston area which is further west.
Something I learned lately is that family members of soldiers traveled with the army unless the enlisted was well enough off to be able to afford to keep them back home. There's also the possibility that the mother had died so the father may have deposited his daughter in the care of relatives in Canonbie and then been unable to retrieve her.
Do you have ay more particular details on where he was from other than Strathspey? That's a big place and includes nearly all the Grant branches of the clan so it will be tough to figure out just which Robert Grant might be the right one.
Also, if the birth date of 1742 is right, the Duthil Parish records won't help as they stop at 1739 and take up again in 1751. I don't have access to Cromdale records. Parts of Abernethy might be considered Strathspey as well.
Laura
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mgscott
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Thank you Laura.
You've given me some ideas. As for your question about Strathspey does Speyside narrow it down?
M
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Scott-Ettrickbridge, Ashkirk
Stutt-Boyhill, Fermanagh
Newton-North Plantagenet(CAN), Ireland
Grieve-Roberton, Lilliesleaf
Hodgins-Cloughjordan, Tipperary
Elliot-Canonbie, Bogra, Holmhead, Annan, Egremont
Little-Canonbie, Kingsbridgeford, Thirlwall, Wallasey
McAlister-Louth Co., Queen's Co.
Smith-Whitehaven
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larkspur3
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No. A Strath is a wide valley, typically a river valley, so both of those terms mean "the valley of the Spey River". My understanding is that it generally refers to the Clan Grant territory but how far north of Grantown would be considered Speyside I don't know. Heading up river it ends around Aviemore or Lock Alvie which starts Macpherson territory, also known as Badenoch.
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mgscott
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Nothing more specific about Strathspey I'm afraid. As for Grant himself, our family story is that he fought for Prince Charlie not the English. Do you know of any Grant family research society or of a museum for the '45 that might hold records about the soldiers?
Merv
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Scott-Ettrickbridge, Ashkirk
Stutt-Boyhill, Fermanagh
Newton-North Plantagenet(CAN), Ireland
Grieve-Roberton, Lilliesleaf
Hodgins-Cloughjordan, Tipperary
Elliot-Canonbie, Bogra, Holmhead, Annan, Egremont
Little-Canonbie, Kingsbridgeford, Thirlwall, Wallasey
McAlister-Louth Co., Queen's Co.
Smith-Whitehaven
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larkspur3
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Try the Grantown Museum, www.grantownmuseum.co.uk
They offer to help with genealogy but don't expect a quick answer.
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Skoosh
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There are lists of prisoners of the '45 which might help, the Grant's raised an independant company to support the government, the clan had been consistantly Whig since they supported the Scottish government in supressing the Jacobite Rising of Graham of Claverhouse, several companies of Grants taking part in the Battle of Cromdale. The Laird of Grant had been busy, as Sheriff, in hanging stragglers from the Jacobite army as it plundered its way up the Spey. The Grant's of Glenmorrison generally followed their Jacobite neighbours, and suffered for it. A Peter Grant who fought on the Jacobite side at Culloden was introduced to George IV on his Edinburgh visit as "Your Majesty's Auldest Enemy"....Skoosh.
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