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Topic: This is becoming an obsession - sorry (Read 686 times)
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ivanidea
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A possible link between Stockton and Jennings:
Marriages Sep 1876
Greeson James Manchester 8d 385
Jennings Catherine Manchester 8d 385
Mahon Dennis Manchester 8d 385
Rice Ellen Manchester 8d 385
1881 census
(RG11 Piece 4005 Folio 103 Page 13)
13, Tebutt St Rochdale Rd, Manchester
GREESON, James Head Married M 30 1851 Labourer Manchester
GREESON, Ellen Wife Married F 28 1853 Hawker Manchester
GREESON, James Son Single M 3 1878 Manchester
GREESON, Mary Daughter Single F 0 1881 Manchester
RICE, James Wifes Father Married M 60 1821 Hawker Ireland
(So it would seem that Catherine Jennings married Dennis Mahon)
Possible death for Dennis:
Deaths Mar 1877
MAHON Dennis 39 Leigh 8c 161
Possible second marriage for Catherine
Marriages Mar 1883
GEE William Leigh 8c 267
MAHON Catherine Leigh 8c 267
Stockton John Leigh 8c 267
Whitehead Ellen Leigh 8c 267
Provisional data, of course!
Ivan
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ivanidea
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Yes. I saw the 1871 Mahon Census for Dennis, Bridget and family and wondered!
Could be the same family group or, of course, could be a red herring!
Even so it still leaves the Catherine Jennings/Dennis Mahon marriage to "sort out"!
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BarbaraH
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Do you know if the address on the birth certificate is a home for unmarried mothers or similar or a private address?
I was wondering if she was perhaps sent away from home to have the child as Manchester is a few miles from Tyldesley.
heywood
I found 7 Brighton Ave (see the original post) on the 1881, and it was occupied by a family called Firkins. It appeara to be a private residence.
RG11/3906/65 Page 42
There is an Elizabeth Ann Firkins among them, age 26, 'born St Helena, Africa' She is listed as married but there is no obvious spouse, so hard to tell whether Firkins is her married or maiden name.
Might be worth casting around for a Firkins/Callister connection? Yet another 'just a thought'!
Another thought is that, is Herbert was born in Manchester but then was taken somewhere else straight afterwards, he might not have known that he was born there. So I would have another look at the non-Manchester Herberts, if nothing else shows up.
 Barbara
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will-o-wisp
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following Emms thought and Herberts later connection with Tyldesley - there is a Herbert Jennings b. 1883 who is a visitor on the 1891 census at Alfred Street, Tydesley. Jackie
Well, I am glad you have found this one too. I suspect he became Herbert Stockton on the 1901 census listed as "Cousin" to Kate/Catherine Stockton. It is a while since I tried to track him, but seem to remember I couldn`t find a suitable birth for a Herbert Jennings or Stockton. Regards. Mo
Mo you could possibly have done it for me - my mother (now aged 96 and suffering from alzheimers so unable to assist any more) used to insist that Herbert was fostered by a family called 'Stockton' - i will try this route.
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will-o-wisp
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Mo
I could kiss you - and all you other wonderful people who have tried to help. I always understood grandad lived 'down the Jig' which is an area of Tyldesley - the addresses on the 1901 census and the 1891 census are both Jig addresses - I think I've finally cracked it!
Thank you all so much
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heywood
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Do you know if the address on the birth certificate is a home for unmarried mothers or similar or a private address?
I was wondering if she was perhaps sent away from home to have the child as Manchester is a few miles from Tyldesley.
heywood
I found 7 Brighton Ave (see the original post) on the 1881, and it was occupied by a family called Firkins. It appeara to be a private residence. RG11/3906/65 Page 42 There is an Elizabeth Ann Firkins among them, age 26, 'born St Helena, Africa' She is listed as married but there is no obvious spouse, so hard to tell whether Firkins is her married or maiden name. Might be worth casting around for a Firkins/Callister connection? Yet another 'just a thought'! Another thought is that, is Herbert was born in Manchester but then was taken somewhere else straight afterwards, he might not have known that he was born there. So I would have another look at the non-Manchester Herberts, if nothing else shows up. Barbara
Interesting:
1871 Census Scotland
Elizabeth Ann Firkins b 1854 St Helens Lancashire
She is a pupil at a Girls Reformatory, Old Machar, Aberdeenshire !
There is a birth for her in Prescot district 1854 and a marriage in 1875 Chorlton (Manchester) district to either Walter Bennett or Samuel Griggs.
well... I'm having a think!
Lancashire BMD has the marriage- it is to Walter Bennett
I thought we were getting closer - 1891 -the Firkins have a grandson living with them surname McAuley but found another daughter married a Mr McAuley (was thinking that McCallister may sounds like McAuley- grasping at straws  )
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will-o-wisp
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I think it is quite safe to post this as a look up completed - although I can understand why Herbert Callister appears as Herbert Stockton on the 1901 census I am at a loss as to why he is using the name Jennings on the 1891 census. However I am convinced that both these Herberts are 'my Herbert' and as Herbert was illegitimate, left home when my father was quite young and 'dissappeared' until I managed to trace his I think I have discovered more than I could ever have hoped for.
So thank you everyone who has helped.
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