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Topic: This is becoming an obsession - sorry (Read 690 times)
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will-o-wisp
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I am still trying to trace my grandfather's whereabouts between his birth in 1883 and his marriage in 1902. For all you people who are saying 'not again' I do apologise but this is now becoming something of an obsession. My grandfather left home when my father was aged 10 so we knew very little about him. I have now managed to discover quite a lot but would like to fill in the gaps if possible - rather long winded but here goes:
Born 1883 in Gorton, Manchester, illegitimate son of Elizabeth Callister domestic servant.
1902 - Married to Martha Alice Cheetham St George's Parish Church, Tyldesley, Lancashire - address on cert. 19 Bank Street Tyldesley.
Between 1906 and the 1911 census he lived at 3 different addresses in Tyldesley.
1911 - Lodging with a family called Simm 13 Herbert Street St Helens.
1913/1914 - 12 Herbert Street St Helens with rest of his family.
Sept. 1913 - joined Cheshire Regiment - October of that year discharged as 'medically unfit' but I think he must have re-enlisted at a later date when they weren't so fussy as he eventually was awarded an Army Pension.
1919-1923 - living at 33 Bank Street, Tyldesley (where my grandmother remained until her death)
In 1923 he was reported missing and a body pulled out of the local canal was identified as him and a death certificate was issued and a burial carried out. He was subsequently found alive in Manchester early in 1927 and admitted to The Leigh Union Hospital where he remained until June of that year whilst steps were made to have his pension restored. He died in July of 1946 in Prestwich Union Hospital Delaunays Road Crumpsall and was buried in Philips Park Cemetery in a Public grave. I have been able to visit this and place a memorial cross there but would like to fill in the gaps prior to his marriage as it
is almost as if he never existed. If anyone comes across him on any census searches and could let me know I would be very grateful. Also if anyone has any electoral records for the Ancoats area of Manchester (at the time of his death his home address was 64 Hood Street Ancoats) and discovers him I would be very grateful to have details.
For all of you who haven't lost the will to live and have persevered to the end of this episode of 'War and Peace' thank you so much.
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will-o-wisp
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What a plonker - all that info and no name - sorry Herbert Callister
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evie
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Posts: 1900
Barnaby
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Just to save any duplication this thread also concerns Herbert
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,389560.0.html
Evie
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Booth, Hornsby, Northumberland & Durham Jackson, Northumberland & Durham Douthwaite, N Yorks & Durham Geldard, N Yorks Ward, Cheshire & W Yorks Swallow, Boid, W Yorks Kirby, Lowe, Studholme, Geary, Emery, Baldock census info is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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evie
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Posts: 1900
Barnaby
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Hi
I think the one you saw Jan was Herbert C Callister but his arrival date was 1910. I think it is a different guy.
Still cannot find Herbert on the 1891, 1901 census though 
Evie
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Booth, Hornsby, Northumberland & Durham Jackson, Northumberland & Durham Douthwaite, N Yorks & Durham Geldard, N Yorks Ward, Cheshire & W Yorks Swallow, Boid, W Yorks Kirby, Lowe, Studholme, Geary, Emery, Baldock census info is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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danuslave
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My fashion sense isn't any better now!
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Other Herbert Callisters on the shipping lists have the wrong birthpace
Linda
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emmsthheight
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Posts: 1893
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Hi
Have you looked at Eliza Callister married Apr - Jun 1896 Toxteth Park?
Others on list:Annie Laird
William Brown Laird
Charles John Poynter
Index: 8b 365.
Could Herbert temporarily as a young child have had his surname changed to fot with a stepfather?
Just a thought.
Goodnight!
Emms
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Jackie464
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following Emms thought and Herberts later connection with Tyldesley - there is a Herbert Jennings b. 1883 who is a visitor on the 1891 census at Alfred Street, Tydesley. Jackie
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mosiefish
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John Knowles 1896 to 1917
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following Emms thought and Herberts later connection with Tyldesley - there is a Herbert Jennings b. 1883 who is a visitor on the 1891 census at Alfred Street, Tydesley. Jackie
Well, I am glad you have found this one too. I suspect he became Herbert Stockton on the 1901 census listed as "Cousin" to Kate/Catherine Stockton. It is a while since I tried to track him, but seem to remember I couldn`t find a suitable birth for a Herbert Jennings or Stockton.
Regards.
Mo
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukLancs: Harrison, Entwistle, Devine, Grundy, Ashworth, Freeman, Jackson, Rushton Cornwall: Rich, Binney, Peake Devon: Walters |
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ivanidea
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Good Evening all
Just a thought which I haven't really pursued: bearing in mind the Isle of Man connection (see previous thread) could the surname be McCallister (for which, in the censuses, there are quite a few different versions)?
There is this marriage:
Marriages Dec 1884
Dunn James W. Derby 8b 591
KEELEY Eliza W.Derby 8b 591
McCallister Eliza W.Derby 8b 591
McCallister Elizabeth W.Derby 8b 591
Taylor William Alexander W. Derby 8b 591
As I say, just a thought!
Ivan
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... and this:
1901 census
(RG13 Piece 3637 Folio 139 Page 16)
The Barracks, Bolton Road Elton Bury Lancashire
MCCALLISTER, Herbert ,Inmate, Single, 19, Private Militia Infantry, born Bolton Lancs
(Shame he was born Bolton, though!)
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emmsthheight
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Posts: 1893
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Hi Ivanidea
I don't know if that will end up being the one, but I did think about McCallister and even McAllister and similar. We get loads up here from Scotland and especially Ireland who drop and pick up the Mc at will.
Also, if therte was a connection in Scotland or Ireland they may have wishes to Anglicise the name by removoing the Mc for privacy reasons.
Best wishes
Emms
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