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MCCUE
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1991 look up please
« on: Friday 03 July 09 10:45 UTC (UK) »

hi i am trying to trace a john r wallace, born 1879, scotsood northumberland, his parents was henry and alice wallace thank you margaret.
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Re: 1991 look up please
« Reply #1 on: Friday 03 July 09 11:02 UTC (UK) »

1891 ...2 /3 /4 Tynemouth road Scotswood.

Henry W head  age 43 newsagent
Alice wife age 35
Henry W son age 15 printer compositor
Thomas J son age 14    "         "            app'
John R son age 12
Alice M dau' age 9
Octavius son age 5
Annie F dau' age 2/12.
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MCCUE
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Re: 1991 look up please
« Reply #2 on: Friday 03 July 09 11:11 UTC (UK) »

hi hepburn i think i have my dates wrong i meant 1901, thank you margaret
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groom
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Re: 1991 look up please
« Reply #3 on: Friday 03 July 09 11:25 UTC (UK) »

Hi
Could this be him in 1901

RG 13 piece 4783 Folio 121 page 12

John Wallace age 23 abt 1878 patient  Coalminer shifter below  born Tynemouth

In Newcastle Royal Infirmary


Jan

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Re: 1991 look up please
« Reply #4 on: Friday 03 July 09 12:02 UTC (UK) »

Hello Margaret

The following data are only possibilities based on searches for John R . Wallace rather than just John Wallace.

Assuming that there are no transcription errors on FreeBMD (a big assumption!), there are only 2 birth records for a John R. Wallace c1879 and this is the more likely record:

Births Jun 1878   
WALLACE  John Robson    Newcastle T.  10b 56

However there is also a subsequent death record:

Deaths Jun 1895   
Wallace  John Robson  17  S. Shields  10a 412

After 1895 there do not seem to be any marriage or death records for a John Robson Wallace so it seems likely that the death record relates to the John born 1878.

Do you know if “your” John survived beyond 1901? Have you found him in 1911?

Regards

Ivan
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Re: 1991 look up please
« Reply #5 on: Friday 03 July 09 12:42 UTC (UK) »

hi no i havent looked at the 1911 i will have to try again thank you margaret.
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Re: 1991 look up please
« Reply #6 on: Friday 03 July 09 13:44 UTC (UK) »

1891 ...2 /3 /4 Tynemouth road Scotswood.

Henry W head  age 43 newsagent
Alice wife age 35
Henry W son age 15 printer compositor
Thomas J son age 14    "         "            app'
John R son age 12
Alice M dau' age 9
Octavius son age 5
Annie F dau' age 2/12.

I don't think they were living in Scotswood in 1891  Undecided

RG12. P. 4228  Fol. 29  Pg. 51

Tynemouth / North Shields  Wink

Henry and Alice were born in Durham  (Gateshead and South Shields respectively)  Sons Henry and Thomas were born in Corbridge, John R in Scotswood and the three youngest children in North Shields   Wink

Scotswood is a considerable distance from North Shields / Tynemouth  (the 1901 John Groom found says born Tynemouth   Undecided )
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Re: 1991 look up please
« Reply #7 on: Friday 03 July 09 15:24 UTC (UK) »

Hello Margaret

You perhaps already have these Census details:

1901 Census
24 Agnes Street, South Shields
Alice Wallace, Head, M, 44, Laundress (Own account), born South Shields
Alice Wallace, Daur, S, 19, Dressmaker, born North Shields
Octavius Wallace, Son, S, 15, Bricklayer, born North Shields
Maud Wallace, Daur, S, 6, born South Shields
Minnie Wallace, Daur, S, 3, born South Shields
Leonard Wallace, Son, S, 1, born South Shields

1901 Census
28 William Street, South Shields
Henry W. Wallace, M, 63, Dealer, born Gateshead

Alice appears to have been living in South Shields since at least c1895 (Maud and the other youngest children living with her were all born in South Shields) and as John Robson Wallace died in South Shields it does seem likely that he was Henry and Alice’s son.

Henry is the sole occupant of 28 William Street: had he and Alice separated for some reason?

Ivan

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Re: 1991 look up please
« Reply #8 on: Friday 03 July 09 17:16 UTC (UK) »

hi all it kooked like alice was at home and the father henry was at the newsagents when they came to do the census, thanks margaret.
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