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greensleeves
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Greensleeves
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I must say I feel a bit put out and filled with indignation on behalf of one Emma Stannard (who inhabits an off-shoot of one of my main lines). In the 1851 census, she is described as below. The transcriber on A*ry has read it as 'Cousin-in-law' but I can't see any alternative to 'Concubine'. I can't say I have come across this description in censuses before, so I would be interested to hear if anyone else has something similar in their trees. FYI, ref: HO 107, Piece 1799, Folio 258, p.21.
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danuslave
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My fashion sense isn't any better now!
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Hi Greensleeves
I have to say that it looks like concubine to me too!
Given that there is a daughter (on the following page) perhaps the enumerator is just using it to mean that they're not married (in those days 'living in sin').
Or....maybe it was his 'word of the day' and he just had to get it in somewhere??
Linda
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Anni B
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I'm sure it does say "concubine" but I wouldn't get too indignant. Sounds like someone had a sense of humour. Remember the 2001 census? When asked about their religion quite a number of people answered "Jedi"
Anne
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danuslave
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My fashion sense isn't any better now!
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Definitely worse!
Concubine seems to imply in one man's household
A strumpett was probably no better than she ought to be!
Could probably get the enumerators on sex discrimination now anyway.
Linda
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ivanidea
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Ancestry does have some Concubines in its records but these only show up with a search for a particular Census year on the UK Census Collection rather a search on an individual nation. This is because the “Relationship to head of household” field is a fixed choice, drop-down menu for the individual nations but for the UK Collection a word of your choice can entered in the “box”.
In 1861 Ancestry also has 2 Concubridges – one of whom is man: it seems that Ancestry has incorrectly transcribed the word “Concubinage”!
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charlotteCH
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"Concubine" it is... probably reflects the enumerator's view of the domestic circs in that househol- or else, as suggested, he had a sense of humour-.
charlotte
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HARGREAVES, HANSON, BAILEY, BURTON, HEWITT, JAGGER, LOCKWOOD, UTTLEY, RUDD, TAYLOR, HOLDEN, SHAW Halifax / Sowerby/ Southowram 18C+
GILL, Accrington, Blackburn, West Derby, Lancs, migrated USA 1891 to RI: GILL in SC: HOTCHKISS in RI: PELOQUIN in RI
HUMPHRIES, HILLIER, ALLEN, LYDBURY Nunney/Frome 18-19C
HUMPHRIES, JOYCE, HEWITT, ROBINSON, McMULLEN, SUFFEL, CARNEY, MARRON, COMPTON, FREEMAN Ont. Canada 1830+
PILSEN, Sask.
82nd Regt of Foot 1808-1825
1st WRY Militia 1780-1800
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charlotteCH
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ivanidea's quotes about mistranscription on Ance**ry is scary...
one could pickup the concubine error easily but when it comes to people's ages and names--- well that's a whole different ballgame. 
Nothing replaces the oroginal image even tho it may be hard to read the writing at least one is aware that there could be an error.
charlotte
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HARGREAVES, HANSON, BAILEY, BURTON, HEWITT, JAGGER, LOCKWOOD, UTTLEY, RUDD, TAYLOR, HOLDEN, SHAW Halifax / Sowerby/ Southowram 18C+
GILL, Accrington, Blackburn, West Derby, Lancs, migrated USA 1891 to RI: GILL in SC: HOTCHKISS in RI: PELOQUIN in RI
HUMPHRIES, HILLIER, ALLEN, LYDBURY Nunney/Frome 18-19C
HUMPHRIES, JOYCE, HEWITT, ROBINSON, McMULLEN, SUFFEL, CARNEY, MARRON, COMPTON, FREEMAN Ont. Canada 1830+
PILSEN, Sask.
82nd Regt of Foot 1808-1825
1st WRY Militia 1780-1800
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Nick29
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perhaps the enumerator is just using it to mean that they're not married (in those days 'living in sin').
Or....maybe it was his 'word of the day' and he just had to get it in somewhere?? Could probably get the enumerators on sex discrimination now anyway. probably reflects the enumerator's view I think I must speak in defence of the poor old enumerator who is getting quite a lot of stick here  The schedule was usually filled in by the householder, who gave it to the enumerator, who then simply copied into his book. If the householder couldn't read or write, then the enumerator would write out what the householder told him (in theory). So young Mr Scrutton might well be to blame for the use of the term  Jennifer
This does seem to be a popular misconception, even among seasoned Roots Chatters. Enumerators were usually far too busy to act as transcribers for the general public, and it rarely happened. It was usually another family member or a neighbour who would have provided this service.
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Best Wishes, Nick. Research interests: Field - Luton & Islington Hole - Somerset, Suffolk & Surrey Farnish, Parker, Cattermole, Last, Wasp, Church - Suffolk Lewin/Lowin/Lowen - Hertfordhire Martin - Eltham & Greenwich, Kent (London) Stead - Greenwich, London (Kent) & Maidstone Wood - Hertfordshire Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Rena
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James McCarthy
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I look on the entry as very helpful. This detail will mean no fruitless searching for a marriage prior to the census entry. Whoever filled in the census was being honest and the lady was obviously living with somebody as his wife (either main wife or secondary wife) without going through a recognised church or civil marriage in the UK.
Cheers,
Rena
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