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imrie/bell scotland and ontario
« on: Saturday 04 July 09 07:30 UTC (UK) »

benjamin bell imrie married agnes imrie wilkie in 1890 in fergus her father was james wilkie born scotland her mother isabella imrie born scotland agnes was born 1860 i am trying to find what if any these 2 families have in common benjamin has cousins in ontario elleb bell/smith and rachel bell/mclean all born dumfriesshire  csc
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Re: imrie/bell scotland and ontario
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 04 July 09 07:38 UTC (UK) »

Hi csc,
Have you established where the ON cousins might be?
There are census searchable and free for ON which should show quite a bit of info that may help.

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HARGREAVES, HANSON, BAILEY, BURTON, HEWITT, JAGGER, LOCKWOOD, UTTLEY, RUDD, TAYLOR, HOLDEN, SHAW  Halifax / Sowerby/ Southowram 18C+

GILL, Accrington, Blackburn, West Derby, Lancs, migrated USA 1891 to RI: GILL in SC: HOTCHKISS in RI: PELOQUIN in RI 

HUMPHRIES, HILLIER, ALLEN, LYDBURY  Nunney/Frome 18-19C

HUMPHRIES, JOYCE, HEWITT, ROBINSON, McMULLEN, SUFFEL, CARNEY, MARRON, COMPTON, FREEMAN  Ont. Canada 1830+

PILSEN, Sask.

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1st WRY Militia 1780-1800
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Re: imrie/bell scotland and ontario
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 04 July 09 07:50 UTC (UK) »

i should have said rachel and ellen are benjamins aunts their  children are his cousins these girls are both lambton county  we just thought he might be visiting relatives strange his wifes mother has same name  benjamins father was george james born abt 1806 father thomas imrie no mother his mother was janet bell born 1806 cummertrees my 4xgrandmothers sister  csc
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Re: imrie/bell scotland and ontario
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 04 July 09 09:21 UTC (UK) »

this family,s census place 1881 was fergus wellington centre no other info  csc
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Re: imrie/bell scotland and ontario
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 04 July 09 09:32 UTC (UK) »

Have you looked up the ON census yourself?  Maybe some extra unexpected info there...I had that checking out a Candian census entry-  you can find them  if you go to the Canada Board and look at Canadian Resources  you'll see the census links there .
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HARGREAVES, HANSON, BAILEY, BURTON, HEWITT, JAGGER, LOCKWOOD, UTTLEY, RUDD, TAYLOR, HOLDEN, SHAW  Halifax / Sowerby/ Southowram 18C+

GILL, Accrington, Blackburn, West Derby, Lancs, migrated USA 1891 to RI: GILL in SC: HOTCHKISS in RI: PELOQUIN in RI 

HUMPHRIES, HILLIER, ALLEN, LYDBURY  Nunney/Frome 18-19C

HUMPHRIES, JOYCE, HEWITT, ROBINSON, McMULLEN, SUFFEL, CARNEY, MARRON, COMPTON, FREEMAN  Ont. Canada 1830+

PILSEN, Sask.

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Re: imrie/bell scotland and ontario
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 04 July 09 10:25 UTC (UK) »

i think isabella is still alive 1901 living with mary says her daughter but she is too old if the ages are right for it to be daughter if i can find her death it should name her parents i have lots of imries down loaded csc
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Re: imrie/bell scotland and ontario
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 04 July 09 16:29 UTC (UK) »

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=52393

There were obvious family links to the Fergus area of Ontario as Benjamin's son, born in Scotland, enlisted in Fergus (mistakenly typed as Kergus) in 1914.  When you search collectionscanada it didn't pull up a copy of his attestation papers.

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Re: imrie/bell scotland and ontario
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 04 July 09 21:17 UTC (UK) »

yes everard is our family we were unaware of these details csc
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Re: imrie/bell scotland and ontario
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 05 July 09 01:02 UTC (UK) »

I think Agnes' mother, Isabella, is not the one referred to in the previous post living with daughter Mary.

Alexander Wilkie(45), Wagonmaker, on the 1861 census is living in Fergus with with wife Isobel (43) and 9 children ages 3-21.  Parents are born Scotland and children Canada.
George Wilkie (36), Carpenter, is living in Fergus with wife Marg (32) and 3 children ages 2-10.

Alexander dies in 1874 and the informant is his brother George, carpenter.  1881 census Isabella (63) is living with 2 children, one being Mary, in Fergus.  1891 Isabella (73) and Mary (30) are in Fergus and also on the 1901 census Isabella (82) and Mary (35).  1911 census - I don't see Isabella and no clear choice for Mary.
George Wilkie dies in 1886 and his son Thomas, Mason, is the informant.

In the 1851 census there is a James (33) and Isabella (32) Wilkie, both born Scotland living in Nissouri West Township of Middlesex County.  You find them in the same location in later census but children don't include Agnes.

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Re: imrie/bell scotland and ontario
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 05 July 09 01:11 UTC (UK) »

On the 1861 census for Garafraxa Township, Wellington county (vicinity of Fergus) there is
John Wilkie(74) and Mrs. Wilkie (70) both born Scotland and married 1812
Living with them is their son James (36) and his wife Mrs. Wilkie(34) and married 1854.  Their son, James(6) born Canada.

1871 census for Garafraxa Township, Wellington Centre, is James (47) and Isabella (45) and daughters Agnes (10) and Grace (3).  James has disappeared.  1881 census  in Fergus is James(57) and Isabella(54) with Agness J.(20) but no Grace.

The only marriage I could find through LDS records in Scotland around 1854 between James Wilkie and an Isabella was 9 July 1854 at Barony Lanark to Isabella Robinson.  Coincidentally there is a marriage between John Wilkie to Christian McGhie 28 Dec 1815 also at Barony.

So far any records for deaths for this family have eluded me or they contain so little information it's hard to  connect them to people.

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Re: imrie/bell scotland and ontario
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 05 July 09 03:04 UTC (UK) »

1852 census there is a John  Wilkie (Magestrate/Farmer ) age 66 b. Scotland
wife is Margaret age 64 and James 28 and George 26 all born Scoyland

There is a death for James Wilkie June 17 1883 Fergus, Wellington
age at death : 61 years 7 months 26 days / born 1822 Fifeshire, Scotland

Pedigree resource file has a George born to  John Wilkie and Margaret Lister... other siblings including a GRACE,...but not a James listed... ?
 
( There are also deaths for a George & Alexander Wilkie in  Fergus, Wellington born Fifeshire, Scotland...I suppose they might have been cousins)

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unrelated to question, but
Did Agnes & Benjamin have children in Scotland? This CEF signup for an Everard Bell Imrie says mother Agness Wilkie Emerie is in Regina Sask.
http://data2.archives.ca/cef/gpc007/414791a.gif&id_nbr=477744
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Re: imrie/bell scotland and ontario
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 05 July 09 07:02 UTC (UK) »

yes children born here they appear to have gone to canada  and came back more than once benjamin has a large family here we have a lot of the family on the scotland pages dumfries and kirkudbright and ayr  they are quite a wealthy family benjamins father george a very hard working man   csc
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Re: imrie/bell scotland and ontario
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 05 July 09 07:35 UTC (UK) »

http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~maryc/fergus.htm

Early weddings in St. Andrews Church - Fergus, Ont.
Alexander, son of John Wilkie and Margaret Lister, to Isabella Moffat on March 3, 1838 witnessed by James Rose and Robert Wilkie of Garafraxa where Alexander was from.

Grace Wilkie of John and Margaret married James Rose 25 July 1837 St. Andrews - son Daniel followed later.

We seem to be getting information on all Wilkie names not associated with your main question.  They seem to be elusive.

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Re: imrie/bell scotland and ontario
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 05 July 09 07:45 UTC (UK) »

yes these imries are hard to find we think isabella imrie/wilkie might be born here in dumfriesshire  we cant find where george imrie benjamins father has come from they might be related he only has a father on his death cert  we think she might be born around 1825 her parents might not be married i think you are finding their relatives  csc
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Re: imrie/bell scotland and ontario
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 05 July 09 09:17 UTC (UK) »

benjamins other son is james edgar imrie 1891 castle douglas isabellas father is james edgar mother agnes imrie born dumfries 1826  dont know what relation agnes is to george   csc
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