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tulipoo
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It could be me, but I have been trying to access info in Dublin to get some
detail on a Police Inspector there in the early 1800's. His name was either
Fowler or Collins.
I can't get anywhere with my searching-can anyone point me to a site please.
Thanks, Ian
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sio59
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Ian,
Have a look at this website where you will find contact details for the museum and archives.
www.esatclear.ie/~garda/museum.html
Do you have a christian name for your Inspector?
Siobhan
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BEVAN, Cambridge, New York
WILLINGTON, Tipperary
LYNCH, Tipperary, Dublin, New York
CARROLL, Tipperary, Limerick
CONNERY,ELLIS,GUERIN,HINCHY,HUMPHRIES,McMAHON,SHEEHY,TAYLOR,WELSH/WALSH, Limerick
CONLISK, DALY, DAVIN, FLANAGAN, Galway
BROWN, Tyrone
HANNON, MOORE, TOTTEN, Antrim
McLERNON /McALERNON, CREANEY, Antrim, Down, Armagh
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mcmahongg
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Ian
I have Jime Herlihy's excellent books. I did some lookups - see below. You would need more information to identify the correct person - there are a lot of Collins entries present.
Once you have the Service Number in the RIC or DMP, you can look up the RIC registers at National Archives - Dublin or Kew. The LDS have microfilmed these records - Jim Herlihy's book gives LDS references also. I can look these up for you if it's possible to narrow down the person in question.
I hope this helps.
best regards
Gerry McMahon
Dublin
- Jim Herlihy, The Dublin Metropolitan Police: Alphabetical List -
Fowler: two entries
Patrick Fowler, DMP 4961, born 1827, Lucan, Co. Dublin; Ex-RIC 8842.
Thomas Fowler, DMP 1213, born 1811, Inishmacsaint, Co. Fermanagh; Ex-Revenue Police
Collins:
38 entries; none born in Dublin.
- Jim Herlihy, The Royal Irish Constabulary: Alphabetical List -
Collins: about 150 entries
Fowler: 21 entries
This book doesn, give any more info other than name and RIC Service Number.
- Jim Herlihy, Royal Irish Constabulary Officers: Biographical Dictionary -
Fowler - no entry
Collins - one entry:
Charles Collins, RIC Service No. 52125, born 25/6/1865, Ardee, Co. Louth. Married 8/1/1919 Jane E. Brabazon a native of Co. Longford.
Detective Inspector (3rd) 10/5/1905. Pensioned 1/8/1920.
[Refs for birth & marriage given as well as ID for LDS RIC Records Microfilm]
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mcmahongg
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Ian
I have Jim Herlihy's excellent books. I did some lookups - see below. You would need more information to identify the correct person - there are a lot of Collins entries present.
Once you have the Service Number in the RIC or DMP, you can look up the RIC registers at National Archives - Dublin or Kew. The LDS have microfilmed these records - Jim Herlihy's book gives LDS references also. I can look these up for you if it's possible to narrow down the person in question.
I hope this helps.
best regards
Gerry McMahon
Dublin
- Jim Herlihy, The Dublin Metropolitan Police: Alphabetical List -
Fowler: two entries
Patrick Fowler, DMP 4961, born 1827, Lucan, Co. Dublin; Ex-RIC 8842.
Thomas Fowler, DMP 1213, born 1811, Inishmacsaint, Co. Fermanagh; Ex-Revenue Police
Collins:
38 entries; none born in Dublin.
- Jim Herlihy, The Royal Irish Constabulary: Alphabetical List -
Collins: about 150 entries
Fowler: 21 entries
This book doesn't, give any more info other than name and RIC Service Number.
- Jim Herlihy, Royal Irish Constabulary Officers: Biographical Dictionary -
Fowler - no entry
Collins - one entry:
Charles Collins, RIC Service No. 52125, born 25/6/1865, Ardee, Co. Louth. Married 8/1/1919 Jane E. Brabazon a native of Co. Longford.
Detective Inspector (3rd) 10/5/1905. Pensioned 1/8/1920.
[Refs for birth & marriage given as well as ID for LDS RIC Records Microfilm]
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Brendan Joseph
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I wonder is there any reference to my grand uncle James O'Donoghue, born Kerry 1874, trained in Dublin, shot dead in Whites Street, Cork 1920 RIC Sargent.
Brendan
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mcmahongg
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Brendan
Jim Herlihy, "The Royal Irish Constabulary, A Complete Alphabetical List of Officers Men 1816-1922", lists five 'James O'Donoghue'e entries -
James O'Donoghue, 16415, 1852-53
James HH O'Donoghue, 23796, 1858-59
James O'Donoghue, 39333, 1872-75
James O'Donoghue, 46953, 1879-81
James Ernest O'Donoghue 70235, 1917-20
I've listed these in the format:
Name, RIC Service Number, Entry period to which this Service Number corresponds.
Using the Service Number it's possible to look up the man's service record at the National Archives. There are LDS films of the service records - the book gives references for these too.
I hope this helps
best regards
Gerry McMahon
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tulipoo
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Hi Gerry,
Thanks for the information.
Patrick Fowler is our man. I have passed the details to my friend in
UK and will come back to you if he needs any more help.
Again thanks,
Ian
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Brandy lane
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In reply to Brendan Joseph you will find a comprehensive account of the murder of James O Donoghue in Peter Hart's 'The IRA and its enemies'' 1998, Clarendan Press.
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mallow
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Hello were there any Allsopps mentioned in the book Than you
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Brandy lane
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There are no Allsopps mentioned in the Hart book but you may be referring to the Herlihy books.
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mallow
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Thank you for that look up, what is the Herilhy books I have never heard of them?
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mcmahongg
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Hi
Re Jom Herlihy books -
Re the Royal Irish Constabulary (RIC):
Jim Herlihy, "The Royal Irish Constabulary, A Complete Alphabetical List of Officers Men 1816-1922", Four Courts Press, Dublin, 1999.
There is only one Allsop listed -
Richard Allsop, Service Number 76367
This Service Number would indicate that Richard Allsop joined the force between 29 Oct 1920 and 22 Dec 1920 - note that the RIC police force terminated in 1922. After this, the police force in the Republic of Ireland was the Garda Siochana and in Northern Ireland the RUC. Many former RIC men joined one of the new police forces.
Jim Herlihy, "The Dublin Metropolitan Police: A Complete Alphabetical List of Offiers and Men", Four Courts Press, Dublin, 2001.
This is a similar-style book addressing the Dublin Metropolitan Police. There are no Allsops listed.
Jim Herlihy, who was himself a Garda officer, has also written several other very useful books on the history of the Irish police forces.
I hope this helps
best regards
Gerry McMahon
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mallow
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Thank you very much for all that information I will see if I can get some more information on Richard Allsopp.
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