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jasper2
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frederick venables
« on: Saturday 04 July 09 15:24 UTC (UK) »
can anyone shed some light on me missing fred? frederick venables married harriet harris  16 february 1819 at teddington , richmond on thames , now both fred and harriet died in 1840 and im wondering how I can find out where, when he was born ? i or how to see a marriage certificate so I might find out  who his father maybe? so as to give me a bit of a clue so as I can follow this line a little further .
many regards and fingers crossed ! jasper 2
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CaroleW
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Re: frederick venables
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 04 July 09 16:55 UTC (UK) »
Hi

Unfortunately there were no marriage certificates at that time - only entries in parish registers.  The even worse news is that fathers names were not shown until after 1.7.1837 when Civil Registration was introduced

How old was he on the death cert as that would at least give a rough idea of his birthyear
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jasper2
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Re: frederick venables
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 04 July 09 17:07 UTC (UK) »
he was born about 1798 , bless you for the reply . I was just taking a stab in the dark really ! I know that I cant get the marriage certificate  just wondered if there was any other way to find out ! many thanks again , jasper 2 all I know about him is that he was a fishmonger .
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CaroleW
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Re: frederick venables
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 04 July 09 17:25 UTC (UK) »
Hi

Is that their son Robert in Richmond Union Workhouse in 1841? 

I honestly don't know how you will get any info on Fred as his birthplace is unknown. 

Venables was not a particularly common surname at that time but there is nothing on the IGI/BVRI/Pallots 
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Re: frederick venables
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 04 July 09 17:28 UTC (UK) »
yes ! robert went into the worhouse aged about 5 ( cant find him after that ) most of the other siblings ended up in gravesend in kent , thankyou for the reply  regards jasper 2
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Valda
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Re: frederick venables
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 05 July 09 19:13 UTC (UK) »
Hi jasper2


St Mary Magdalene Richmond burials

11th August 1816
Anne Venables aged 55 (may or may not have a connection)

2nd September 1825
John Venables aged 3

12th May 1828
Ann Venables infant

31st August 1838
Harriet Venables aged 36

30th November 1840
Frederick Venables aged 40

The 1819 marriage would make Harriet only about 17 at the time and Frederick 19. If they admitted their ages, they were both under the age of consent, so you might expect in the marriage banns book information about who gave them permission to marry. If the banns book for Teddington has survived it will be held at the London Metropolitan Archives. The marriage register itself may give further clues with the names of the witnesses.


Regards


Valda
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jasper2
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Re: frederick venables
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 05 July 09 20:06 UTC (UK) »
thankyou valda ,  I already have fred and harriets deaths but the others are interesting ! thankyou jasper2
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