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gumshoe
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My great, great grandfather, Edward Butler, was born in Cheltenham in 1855 as far as I can determine. He married Emma Geal in Reigate, Surrey in 1880. He was employed there as a Coachman/Groom.
I haven't been able to find any information about Edward's parents. At least, there are possible candidates in Newent but none of them appear to be a suitable match.
Any help to establish who Edward's parents were would be very much appreciated.
Thank you
Gumshoe
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hepburn
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There's a birth for an Edward Butler Cheltenham 1853,is this your man?
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stoke on trent. carson,wain,leese,shaw,key,scalley,mitchell,
,james,
nottingham,pollard,grice,
derbyshire,vallands,turton,howe.
new zealand,turton
canada,carson.
australia,mitchell,scalley,
Has anyone seen Henry Atcherson Carson,born Canada 1844?
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hepburn
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No he isn't yours Ive just found him in the censuses
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stoke on trent. carson,wain,leese,shaw,key,scalley,mitchell,
,james,
nottingham,pollard,grice,
derbyshire,vallands,turton,howe.
new zealand,turton
canada,carson.
australia,mitchell,scalley,
Has anyone seen Henry Atcherson Carson,born Canada 1844?
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jacques
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Hell
There are two Births BMD
Edward Butler
March qtr 1855 Witney 3a 552
June qtr 1855 Faringdon 2c 233
I now not Cheltenham but worth sending
Pam
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Wragg Sheffield/Rotherham Noble Sheffield/Derby Kirk Sheffield/Northumberland Lenton Sheffield Ward Deryshire Twigg Derbyshire All Census Data included in this post is Crown Copyright(see www.nationalarchives.gov.uk) |
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jacques
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Have you sent for Edward and Emma Marriage certificate
Sept qtr 1880 Reigate 2a 257
This should give his father's name which should help you find him say on 1861 Census this should also give you his Mother's name, from there you may find his parents marriage.
Pam
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Wragg Sheffield/Rotherham Noble Sheffield/Derby Kirk Sheffield/Northumberland Lenton Sheffield Ward Deryshire Twigg Derbyshire All Census Data included in this post is Crown Copyright(see www.nationalarchives.gov.uk) |
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Arranroots
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His birth is registered in Cheltenham in Sep quarter 1853 (Vol 6a Page 229)
1861 census RG9 P 912 F 73 P 10
BUTLER
William H M 54 - coachman - Surrey Purfit (sic)
Jane S W M 39 - dressmaker - Devon Otterton
Susan J dau 13 - scholar - Gloucestersh Cheltenham
Charles son 10 do - do
Edward son 7 - do - do
Lucy dau 4 - do
Frederick son 8 mo - Oxon Little Tew
Address: Chipp'g Norton Rd, Little Tew, Oxfordshire
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Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS WIL: WEBB, SALTER RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY (DUBLIN), BOYLE(DUNDALK) |
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gumshoe
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Many thanks for your helpful response to my request. A special thanks to Arranroots for a lead I never expected (what was your source?). Also a special thanks to ChasH for the pointers.
Much appreciated.
Gumshoe
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gene-genie
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Hi.
The date is a bit wrong but - IGI has two entries for the marvellously named:
Edward Swinburne Ward BUTLER for 1859
One entry states he was christened in Bristol in 30 June 1859
The other New Hampton Surrey. (Your reference to Surrey made me wonder...)
Father: Charles Edward Butler
Mother: Frances Guadalupe Felipa Maria Ward
You'll find her on IGI - they married in Paris in 1855
Given the mother's names (IGI indicates she was Mexican, again, you'll find her birth on IGI - it also explains where 'Swinburne' came from........)
Back to Edward - I wonder whether he was baptised twice?
May not be your family - wish it was mine - sounds fascinating! 
By the by, unless you have proof via certificate, don't be too hung up on Cheltenham as his birthplace - my grt grandfather was always thought to have been born in Cheltenham - turned out to be village of Tredington GLS.
This family in 1881:
Source Information:
Dwelling 3 St James Road (Murree House)
Census Place London, Middlesex, England
Family History Library Film 1341199
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 0841 / 98
Page Number 29
Frances BUTLER Head W Female 55 (British Subject), Mexico Independent
Frances Jane BUTLER Daur U Female 24 Bonchurch, Isle of Wight, Hampshire, England Independent
Alice Charlotte BUTLER Daur U Female 15 Shatyinanfure, East Indies Scholar
Maria BACHURST Cook U Female 24 Farnham, Surrey, England Servant
Emma LAWRENCE Serv U Female 16 Foxearth, Suffolk, England General Domestic Servant
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BRISTOL & GLS:
DENNING - RIDDLE-DENNING. & Glam TANNER-DENNING, MORGAN, THOMAS, RICE-ADAMS, RITCHINGS.
DEV:18thC RICE, Mary, ADAMS, CLARKE,STENTAFORD. MICHLEMORE.
HANTS: RICE-ADAMS, RICE-DEVEREUX-ADAMS (S'hampton), PIPER. (Crawley)
All GLS: TOVEY, GLS/GLAM/BRKS. WESLEY/WASLEY, GLS/GLAM. MARSHALL Alstone, PEARSON, GREEN, JAYNES COOMBES, TOMBS.
LANCS: DUNN, Manc. BROWN Salford
CHS: BROMILEY
SOM: BALCH.
WLS: MORRIS, MGY/DEN, WMS, GRIFFITHS,
WTS/Lon: SKUSE
BRKS/Lon: CHURCH, WAKEFIELD
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Arranroots
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Hi again
I should think that Edward's marriage certificate would be the best place to start - it sounds as though you already have it, or info from it, but you don't tell us much about the detail?
The father's name, occupation and residence of Edward would help you to tell whether the info I posted yesterday is likely to be correct. I realise also that what I posted is the same birth as Hepburn but for some reason that was dismissed - maybe I missed something?
Kind regards, Arranroots 
p.s. usual sources but some mis-indexing was at play!
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Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS WIL: WEBB, SALTER RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY (DUBLIN), BOYLE(DUNDALK) |
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gumshoe
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Hi Again,
I don't have Edward's marriage certificate but I will send for it sooner rather than later. I've gleaned most of what I know from the census returns and Edward and his daughter, Eleanor, were both witnesses at the marriage of my great grandfather, William Benjamin Butler (I do have that certificate).
I don't actually get much time to dedicate to my research so I thought I'd enlist a bit of help in the few spare moments I have.
Thanks once again.
Gumshoe
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