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Topic: James Mitchell dorn Dysart Fife c1839 (Read 870 times)
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chofiss
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I am DESPERATELY tryng to locate the birth record or death record or indeed ANYTHING for
James Mitchell, born Dysart Fife c1839
Served in Royal Artillery
Married Eliza Green 19June 1867 in St Georges Hanover Square London
Children:
James Hay
John Harley
Eliza E
Rosabelle J
Elsie Violet
According to his marriage cert his father is PETER
I am Desperate!!!!
Any help GREATLY appreciated
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chofiss
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thanks so much for your reply, yes i saw that JAMES....and it just doesnt fit, I am tearing my hair out with this one, dont know what to do next!
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AMBLY
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Hi Choffis
As Eliza the wife, is in Dairsie Fife in 1891 with her 2 youngest children (who were born in Scotland) John H age 10 and Elsie V 9, have you looked at this Census image to establish if Eliza is listed as a widow or not?
If she is, the James may well have died in Scotland between 1881 and 1891.
You do have all the post-marriage Census for the family?
Children (for ref):
James Hay - b abt 1869 Sheerness Kent
Elizabeth Ellen - b abt 1870 Woolwich Kent
Rosabel Jane C - b 1872 Sheppey Kent
John Harley - b abt 1880 Collington? Midlothian
Elsie Violet - b abt 1882, Blackness? Linlithgowshire
(Huge gap between Rosabel and John.....)
Cheers
AMBLY
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chofiss
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wow! u are GOOD!
aha, i never thought of that....I dont know if i have the 1891 census....
I am slowly going insane!!!
thanks for this 
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AMBLY
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Happy to type up the Census you are missing if you need (although ultimately buying the original image for the Scottish Census would be best, especially the 1891)
I can see them in 1871 (England), 1881, 1891, 1901 Scotland (James not on 1891 or 1901 though)
From Scotlands People:
340 James Mitchells died in Scotland between 1881 and 1891
Of these, 16 were born within 3 years +/- of 1839.
Of those 16:
1 was in Fife (but not parish of Dairsie)
0 were in West Lothian (ie Linlithgowshire)
4 were in Midlothian
Cheers
AMBLY
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chofiss
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nope no luck, she aint a widow!!! argh!!
this is crazy!! 
this James Mitchell is THE most Elusive man!!!
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AMBLY
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Does it say Eliza is married in 1891?
The fact she is listed in 1891 and 1901 with an occupation (dressmaker) (Needlewoman) tends to suggest she is having to support herself .....but of course is not necessarily so.
I wonder about the 1901 then, she appears to be on her own, again in Dairsie age 56.
http://genforum.genealogy.com/green/messages/18017.html
....Elsie Violet Mitchell, was born on 19 February 1882 at Blackness Castle, which is near Linlithgow in Scotland....parents were James Mitchell and Eliza Mitchell, maiden surname Green, who were were married on 19 June, 1867 in England. At the date of her birth, Blackness Castle was the Army's central ammunition depot in Scotland..........Elsie's marriage (which took place in her parents house in Cupar, Scotland in 1915) gives her Father's occupation as "Master Gunner-Pensioner".
Cheers
AMBLY
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chofiss
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it does say MAR which i presume is married...
are u a professional genealogist??? u seem to know a LOT!
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cookies4
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There is a James Mitchell born 1839 at Dysart, Fife boarding at Aston, Birmingham in 1891. He gives his occupation as a Timekeeper and married but no wife or family with him.
I totally sympathise - it's a nightmare of a name to research.
Regards,
Nel
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chofiss
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thanks for this, i appreciate it!
I may just pray for a miracle as I have come to a dead end...
Know whats funny, I had a dream (yes a dream) last night that James had LEFT his wife and emigrated....
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AMBLY
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Hi choffiss
Not a professional genealogist  no, just a curiosity for poking about other peoples mysteries! Having spent so (too  ) much time on Rootschat watching THE best amateur detectives, I've learned (and still am) how to google good and to make use of certain websites....
You might be able to create your own miracle as much as you can - suggest go the lateral route and glean as much as possible from the wife and children - and since it's likely Scotland certificates will feature in many of the cases, it may be very helpful to establish:
Where Eliza lived and died.
What's on her death certificate.
Where she is buried (headstone)
The children - their marriages, what the certificates say about their father. Find them on all Census, see and establish who they're with, who witnessed their marriages.
Since they are in Fife (the place of birth of their father) it may be that members of their father's family may feature somewhere?
This will cost money in the long run, but with as much free research as possible first you can narrow down your possibilities before you get to the spend stage.
It is written that daughter Elsie married 1915 at her "parents" home in Cupar - where was this and is it known this is her "parent's home" rather than the home of just her mother?
You may also want to try and find more about a military record for James, something I'm not really up on. A military record may contain the name of his NOK and and address, when he joined up.
PROBABLE DEATH :
1918 - Cupar - age 69 - Eliza MITCHELL
Age is a bit out but I'ts most likely to be her?
The son, John Harley MITCHELL:
Enlisted in the Army for a term of Short Service as John MITCHELL - he enlisted in Cupar in Feb 1901 and was immediately sent to South Africa in the Imperial Yeomanry. He gave his age as 21, pob as Slateford Edinburgh (the same pob as was given for him on the 1891 Census). His profession as Ironmonger. He had certain distinguishing features (scars etc). After serving in a campaign in SA, he came home in 1902 and was discharged in August 1902. He wasn't injured or wounded but did recieve a medal or decoration in 1902. He was 5' 8&half" tall, 126 Llb, with brown hair & eyes and a fresh complexion. His rank was Private.
His Next of Kin was his mother:
Eliza MITCHELL of College (Cottae?) Bank, Newhill, Cupar.
On his discharge from the above, he promptly re-enlisted, in October 1902 in Dundee, this time to the Lancers of the Line regiment - though he quickly transferred to another regiment. This time he gave his age as 20 years and 11 months. He had shrunk and lost weight: now described as 5', 7 & 3qtr" tall, 122 Llb, with brown hair & eyes and a fresh complexion. He had the same place of birth, profession and the same distinguishing features. He provided truthful details of his previous enlistment. This time, he served through to the end of WW1, and in 1919 gave an address in Pontefract, Yorkshire. He was pensioned off in 1920 after a period of service of 16 years and 237 days. He had also recieved the 1914 Star Clasp, the British War Medal and the Victory Medal. On this record (which refers in multiple places to his earlier service) it gives the following family/nok information:
Mother: Eliza MITCHELL or GREEN, Hawk Lane. Cottage Bank New Mill Cupar by Fife, New Mills Cupar.
Wife: Sarah Ellen TODD married April 1912. Two children born 1912 and 1913.
http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/
MARRIAGE:
John H MITCHELL and Sarah E TODD - Helmsley - Jun Qtr 1912
So there are two records which might help identify more of James :
The death of his wife in Scotland
The marriage of his son John in England
Cheers
AMBLY
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chofiss
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all i can say is OH MY GOD!!!!
Thank you so so so much, u have no idea how much time (wasted time) I have spent on this, its taken over my life!!
I am gonna explore what u have suggested!
Keep in touch!!
Many Many thanks
Chofiss!
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chofiss
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oh god i am officially losing my mind!!!! i am off on so many tangents that when or if they ever meet, I fear my head will explode!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hellllllllllllllllllllllllllllllpppppppppppppppppppppp!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How can u love something but yet it drives u CRAZEEEEEEEEE
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