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Hi there, I'm new to the site and desperate for info on any Harmans that lived or still live in Camberwell. My ancestors moved there from Windsor sometime between the 1881 and 1891 census. William Harman, his wife Eliza and children William, Frederick, Harry and Jane lived on Park Road. Frederick fought in WW1 and sometime after moved to Yorkshire where he married. He was my great grandad but I never met him as he died in 1942. I would love to know what happened to his siblings. I can't find them on the 1911 census so I assume Eliza was a suffragette. Any info would be greatly appreciated and I am more than willing to share info and/or help with research!
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CaroleW
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Hi and welcome to Rootschat
I am posting the full 1901 details so we have a record of the family's ages and birthplaces which may help in any searches
All b Camberwell except William snr
William Harman 34 b Walworth (Bermondsey in 1891)
Eliza 32
William 10
Frederick 7
Harry 3
Jane 1 month
RG13 Piece 519 Folio 132 Page 25
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Valda
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There is a Frederick Hartman of about the right age with a birthplace of Camberwell on the 1911 census. He might be worth a look. It is more likely the family is misenumerated and/or mistranscribed than Eliza (not the head of household if her husband was still alive) was refusing to have the census scheduled filled in.
A possible death registration for Eliza
Deaths Jun 1908
Harman Eli[sz]a 40 Camberwell 1d 418
Which if your Eliza, also might indicate the family is split up on the 1911 census.
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Valda
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Valda
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The 1911 census index shows no Harmans born Camberwell that would fit for the children from the 1901 census. Putting Peckham as a birthplace however gets
HARMAN JANE aged 12 in Exeter and HARMAN WILLIAM aged 19 in Edmonton
They may or may not be red herrings. Difficult to tell just from the index.
and of course they are just as likely to have on a census a birthplace as vague as something like 'London'
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Valda
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Thank you all for your help, I checked the Frederick Hartman out for 1911, unfortunately it was a German family! Ah well I'll keep looking....... Thanks for the death record, I'll look into that. If anyone needs any info from Yorkshire in return I'm happy to help!
Carole
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Thank you, that might work out if Eliza had died as previously suggested and William junior moved on. If this is the same family, I wonder what might have happened to Harry and Jane Harman, and there are two more children.
I seem to be finding that it is true what they say, answering one question always leads to ten more unanswered questions! 
Thanks again everyone
Carole 
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Valda
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What about the Jane Harman in Exeter? There was only one Jane Harman birth registered in Camberwell district between 1898 and 1902 (two Williams were registered, one in 1891 and one in 1892 - we know where the 1892 was now in 1911).
It would be possible for a son Sydney to have been born to the family just after the 1901 census (census night 31st March)
Births Jun 1901
Harman Sidney Alfred Camberwell 1d 981
and for a Frank
either
Births Jun 1904
Harman Francis Robert Camberwell 1d 875
or just possibly
Births Mar 1906
Harman Frank Camberwell 1d 934
Harry only has to be enumerated as Henry on the 1911 census and often Harry/Henry is interchangeable for him to be difficult to find on the 1911 census. Ditto William particularly if they have a birthplace as vague as London.
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Valda
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Census 1911 transcript.