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Richard LLOYD Arrival date in Australia
« on: Monday 06 July 09 13:14 UTC (UK) »

CAN ANYONE HELP WITH ANY IDEAS FOR TRYING TO FIND OUT OUT WHEN RICHARD LLOYD CAME TO AUSTRALIA.  ALL WE HAVE IS HE WAS BORN AROUND (1836-1919)  IN YORKSHIRE, ENGLAND AND THEN TRAVELLED TO ADELAIDE, AUSTRALIA SOME TIME BETWEEN  (1852- 1867) AND HIS FATHERS NAME WAS (JOHN LLOYD).

RICHARD THEN MARRIED (MARGARET MEYERS) AT ADELAIDE IN 1867.  (1835-1874).  RICHARD IS A REAL MYSTERY TO US HAVE BEEN LOOKING FOR A LONG TIME NOW TO FIND WHEN HE CAME TO AUSTRALIA AS THERE ARE SO MANY RICHARD LLOYD'S AND ONLY HAVE HIS FATHERS NAME MAKES IT HARD TO CHECK ON THE RECORDS IN YORKSHIRE.UK.

ANY HELP OR IDEAS WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED.....
THANKS

DORT
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Re: Richard LLOYD Arrival date in Australia
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 07 July 09 00:37 UTC (UK) »

Hi Dort

I have found a record of an assisted immigrant Richard LLOYD b.c1837 Worcester Undecided

http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/bucephalus1855.htm
LLOYD Richard  18 years     Labourer  Worcester 

If your Richard emigrated during the Victorian gold rush, he may have emigrated to Victoria and travelled overland or by sea to SA.

You may like to search here
http://proarchives.imagineering.com.au/index_search.asp?searchid=23   
http://proarchives.imagineering.com.au/index_search.asp?searchid=24

I am posting his marriage reg as MEYERS is not his wife's maiden name.

LLOYD Richard 31 years  Status Not known  Father John LLOYD
MEYERS Margaret  32 Status Not known  Father Michael McMAGAN
I Jul 1867
At Trinity Church, Adelaide   Ade 72/185

His death certificate may give you an idea of when he emigrated.
Information on South Australian death certificates
1908-1947 
    * Date and Place of Death
    * Name
    * Sex
    * Age
    * Occupation
    * Usual Residence
    * Birthplace
    * Length of Residence in Commonwealth
    * Age at Marriage
    * Number of Issue Living and Deceased
    * Cause of Death
    * Place of Death
    * Informant

Transcriptions of death certs are available for AUD$15 from
http://www.saghs.org.au/research.htm#transcription

LLOYD Richard  Married  95 years No relative noted.
11 Mar 1919
Residence Adelaide  Death Place Adelaide   Ade 426/89

Cheers
Cando





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Re: Richard LLOYD Arrival date in Australia
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 07 July 09 02:23 UTC (UK) »

THANKS CANDO..........

IT SOUNDS LIKE THE RIGHT RICHARD LLOYD I WILL FOLLOW UP WITH THOSE OTHER LINKS.....

I  DO HAVE HIS DEATH CERTIFICATE ALL IS SAYS ON BIRTH PLACE YORKSHIRE ENGLAND.....NAME OF TOWN NOT KNOW........BEEN IN THE COMMONWEALTH ABOUT 70 YRS...

HE GOT MARRIED 3  MORE TIMES AFTER HIS FIRST WIFE MARGARET MEYERS DIED.... ALL GOT  MARRIED IN ADELAIDE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH CANDO FOR ALL YOUR HELP ITS GOOD TO FINALLY GET SOMEWHERE WITH POOR RICHARD

REGARDS 

DORT
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Re: Richard LLOYD Arrival date in Australia
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 07 July 09 07:25 UTC (UK) »

Hello  Dort

Is  the death  Cando gave you for 1919  the  same death  you  have?

that would make his date of birth around 1814?

Jenn
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SHOEBRIDGE, VINALL, BRINDLE, Kent
BAYLEY, Dorset,Yorkshire,
HAIR, Durham,
CUMMINS, BROWNLESS from Yorkshire,
 EDSALL,  Cornwall,
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Re: Richard LLOYD Arrival date in Australia
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 07 July 09 07:54 UTC (UK) »

YES JENN WE BELIEVE THIS IS THE RIGHT ONE AND HE ONLY HAD ONE SON  AT THE TIME AND THEY WERE POOR PEOPLE AND NONE OF THEM COULD READ WE BELIEVE THEY MUCKED UP HIS AGE AT DEATH AND HAVE BEEN TOLD THIS CERTIFICATE TIES IN WITH THE CEMETERY HE IS BURIED BURIED IN WITH HIS SECOND WIFE EMMA WADSWORTH....

THANKS JENN
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Re: Richard LLOYD Arrival date in Australia
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 07 July 09 09:49 UTC (UK) »

There is another possible death  and  the age would be right as well

Richard LLoyd died 26/12/1907 aged 71 residence Adelaide deathplace Adelaide symbol HS book 330 page 227
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TOWNSEND,PINNEGAR, STRANGE, PULLEN, GRIFFIN from Wiltshire,,
SHOEBRIDGE, VINALL, BRINDLE, Kent
BAYLEY, Dorset,Yorkshire,
HAIR, Durham,
CUMMINS, BROWNLESS from Yorkshire,
 EDSALL,  Cornwall,
MORGAN, HENNESSY, BAKER,  Ireland.
In Australia
Hennessy, Hair, Bayley, Townsend,
Shoebridge, Edsall, Adamson,

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Re: Richard LLOYD Arrival date in Australia
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 07 July 09 11:23 UTC (UK) »

Thanks for those details.....

Might look into that 1907 death certificate as well.......

Dort
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Re: Richard LLOYD Arrival date in Australia
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 07 July 09 11:48 UTC (UK) »

What cemetery is Emma Lloyd buried in?

Jenn
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I live in Townsville, Australia researching
TOWNSEND,PINNEGAR, STRANGE, PULLEN, GRIFFIN from Wiltshire,,
SHOEBRIDGE, VINALL, BRINDLE, Kent
BAYLEY, Dorset,Yorkshire,
HAIR, Durham,
CUMMINS, BROWNLESS from Yorkshire,
 EDSALL,  Cornwall,
MORGAN, HENNESSY, BAKER,  Ireland.
In Australia
Hennessy, Hair, Bayley, Townsend,
Shoebridge, Edsall, Adamson,

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Re: Richard LLOYD Arrival date in Australia
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 07 July 09 12:38 UTC (UK) »

EMMA DIED IN 1899 AND BOTH RICHARD AND EMMA LLOYD BURIED AT WEST TCE CEMETERY ADELAIDE AND WERE BURIED IN THE THE PAUPER SECTION AND IT GETS WORSE THERE WAS A MIX UP WITH ANOTHER GRAVE BEING PUT ON TOP OF THEIRS AND HAD (EMMA LLOYDE) SPELT WRONG.........

THANKS JENN

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Re: Richard LLOYD Arrival date in Australia
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 07 July 09 22:28 UTC (UK) »

EMMA DIED IN 1899 AND BOTH RICHARD AND EMMA LLOYD BURIED AT WEST TCE CEMETERY ADELAIDE AND WERE BURIED IN THE THE PAUPER SECTION AND IT GETS WORSE THERE WAS A MIX UP WITH ANOTHER GRAVE BEING PUT ON TOP OF THEIRS AND HAD (EMMA LLOYDE) SPELT WRONG.........

THANKS JENN

DORT

That is if  you  have  the  right death certificate. I   feel  the 1907 death is more  than likely to be correct.

Jenn
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I live in Townsville, Australia researching
TOWNSEND,PINNEGAR, STRANGE, PULLEN, GRIFFIN from Wiltshire,,
SHOEBRIDGE, VINALL, BRINDLE, Kent
BAYLEY, Dorset,Yorkshire,
HAIR, Durham,
CUMMINS, BROWNLESS from Yorkshire,
 EDSALL,  Cornwall,
MORGAN, HENNESSY, BAKER,  Ireland.
In Australia
Hennessy, Hair, Bayley, Townsend,
Shoebridge, Edsall, Adamson,

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Re: Richard LLOYD Arrival date in Australia
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 08 July 09 01:32 UTC (UK) »

I WILL TRY AND GET THE OTHER DEATH CERT AND SEE WHAT IT SAYS.........

THANKS JENN
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Re: Richard LLOYD Arrival date in Australia
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 08 July 09 04:16 UTC (UK) »

Hi Dort,

If you have the burial information from WTC you should know what year Richard was buried. (Though I suspect both of these men were buried at West Terrace)

I suspect the Richard LLOYD who died in 1907 is the one who arrived in 1855 but is he your ancestor? I doubt it.

He appears several times in the destitute asylum records in 1903-1906

1903 aged 65 arrived aboard BUCEPHULUS been in colony 48 years residence Pt Augusta

1905 aged 67 arrived aboard BUCEPHULUS been in colony 50 years residence Destitute Asylum

1905 aged 67 arrived aboard BUCEPHULUS been in colony 50 years residence Destitute Asylum

1906 aged 68 arrived aboard BUCEPHULUS been in colony 51 years residence C/O DR Bickle North Terrace.

The man who died in 1919 is listed as married which fits with your man.

Cheers Kris  Smiley
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Re: Richard LLOYD Arrival date in Australia
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 08 July 09 07:32 UTC (UK) »

Going  through  the mariages

1. 1/7/1867  he was 31 married Margaret Meyers (died 15/5/1874)
one month later he married again

2. 9/6/1874 widower aged 39 married Emma Wadsworth ( died 22/9/1899)
three months later he married again

3.  5/12/1899 widower aged 66 married Mary Bourke

No sign of her death up to 1916

Then there is  this marriage   7/12/1903 widower aged 66 (still ) married Sarah Jane Poyner ?

Dort how ae you  related  to Richard LLoyd?

Jenn
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When you search for ancestors, you find great friends!

I live in Townsville, Australia researching
TOWNSEND,PINNEGAR, STRANGE, PULLEN, GRIFFIN from Wiltshire,,
SHOEBRIDGE, VINALL, BRINDLE, Kent
BAYLEY, Dorset,Yorkshire,
HAIR, Durham,
CUMMINS, BROWNLESS from Yorkshire,
 EDSALL,  Cornwall,
MORGAN, HENNESSY, BAKER,  Ireland.
In Australia
Hennessy, Hair, Bayley, Townsend,
Shoebridge, Edsall, Adamson,

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Re: Richard LLOYD Arrival date in Australia
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 08 July 09 08:13 UTC (UK) »

The Chap who died in 1907 had no known relatives in the state

http://ndpbeta.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/5121322

I don't know what happened to Mary........ or Sarah  Roll Eyes

http://ndpbeta.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/5166539

perhaps this is the reason he was buried with wife number two although she is the mother of his son, and presumably he organised the burial.

Kris  Smiley
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