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Topic: GIBRALTAR - where are records held? (Read 645 times)
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cispt2
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I have an ancestor born in Gibraltar about 1820 (her father was in the 11th regiment). I've tried reading a great deal on-line, but cannot ascertain the state of Gibraltar parish records. Perhaps because I don't quite understand what Gibraltar was to England at the time.
I would greatly appreciate any insight into whether Gibraltar parish records are held somewhere? My expectation was that they'd have been incorporated into overseas birth indexes?
thanks, from an ignorant Aussie
matt
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behindthefrogs
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You need to distinguish between births which took place with fathers who were serving in the forces and births whose fathers were just residents of Gibraltar.
The former are likely to be found in the overseas births at the GRO. You certainly should look there first.
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PabloC
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Hi Matt,
The LDS hold microfilms of the following records, which can be ordered and viewed at one of their Family History Centres for a fee:
Church of England records
Bishop's transcripts for Gibraltar Anglican Chaplaincy, 1807-1812. Rites performed by Anglican clergy for British military stationed on Gibralter. (Outside the time period you're interested in though I know)
Roman Catholic
Parish registers, 1704-1991. These cover births, marriages and deaths for the following churches:
Catholic Church. Cathedral of St. Mary the Crowned (Gibraltar)
Catholic Church. Sacred Heart of Jesus (Gibraltar)
Catholic Church. Our Lady of Sorrows (Gibraltar)
Catholic Church. St. Theresa (Gibraltar)
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newbe_nz
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Hi there,
I am interested in this question as well.
I have an ancestor who was also born Gibraltar
Edward Coleman, born 1824, Gibralter, 43rd regt. Vol. 1357, Page 20
This was found for me by Sue*Suffolk back on 19 May 2008
There is a little bit of info here.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,305457.0.html
His parents were John COLEMAN and Rachel UNKNOWN
How would I find out if they had more children and where would I purchase the birth cert from As I am fairly sure he is my one.
I have his death image from Victoria, Australia and gives age at death 76 in 1900
so I went 1900 - 76 = 1824. It has on it birth place Gibraltar with the names of the parents I gave.
Please help
Newbe from New Zeaand
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cispt2
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HALL of Fenstanton
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Hi Newbe,
So the entry you have for your ancestor:
Edward Coleman, born 1824, Gibralter, 43rd regt. Vol. 1357, Page 20
is not indexed from parish registers, but is in fact from a set of indexes called "Chaplains Returns of baptisms, marriages and burials 1761-1880". In theory overseas events were conducted by a chaplain attached to either a barracks or the regiment. They then send details of all these back to the UK. The records are far frm complete. The only way to get hold of thi certificate is ordering through the GRO - but you're very lucky ti find an entry there!
http://www.findmypast.com/helpadvice/knowledge-base/overseas-military/
As you saw below, the LDS only holds films for Gibraltar Anglican Chaplaincy, 1807-1812 (I ssume a Brit was Protestant). Many regiments were overly populated with Irishmen, so the Catholic registers with large coverage may prove very useful. I'll look through them at some point and keep your name in mind, but I doubt your man will be there. Probably in some as-yet-to-be-uncovered Protestant parish book in Gibraltar.
cheers,
matt
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cispt2
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I'm still digging, and may have had some success here:
http://www.history.ac.uk/gh/15i.htm
It appears that till 1840 the Bishop of London was responsible for Gibraltar, as Gibraltar itself was not a diocese. The web-site for Guildhall Library states:
"f) Bishop of London's jurisdiction overseas. The Bishop of London was held to exercise responsibility for Anglican churches overseas where no other bishop had been appointed. He retained responsibility for churches in northern and central Europe until 1980, but his jurisdiction in southern Europe ceased in 1842 on the creation of the diocese of Gibraltar. In 1970, the office of Bishop of Gibraltar was combined with that of Bishop of Fulham, a suffragan of the Bishop of London who had administered his remaining overseas jurisdiction since 1926. From 1970-80 the jurisdictions of Gibraltar and northern and central Europe remained separate though administered by the same Bishop of 'Fulham and Gibraltar'. In 1980, the Bishop of London divested himself of all overseas jurisdiction and a new diocese of 'Gibraltar in Europe' was established to supersede both jurisdic- tions. Records include:- "
Records at Guildhall include:
"Foreign register transcripts. 1706-20th century (for further details see Guildhall Library, The British Overseas (3nd Edn 1994), which lists registers wherever they are known to survive. "
I will write to them. The main hope for records remaining may be that Bishops Transcripts were often sent from each church to the Bishop. Here's hoping! Will keep this list updated.
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newbe_nz
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Thank you so much for your help.
So the best thing to do is order it through the GRO and hopefully it will have the right father's name on it.
Would I just use the info that has been given to me to order it.
Newbe
PS: just having a look through your links
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cispt2
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Yes,
When you order from the GRO one option will be for 'Overseas Birth' and you add the year of birth and click the button that says you know the ref. The next page will be your info, the next page will be the one where you write the name of you ancestor, and anything else you know - pate the reference in there too. They dig around to find the right record. They haven't let me down yet!
cheers
matt
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newbe_nz
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Thanks for that. Good to know how to order the cert.
Do you have a link for GRO? if not I willl search for it on the net
Newbe
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Lilley,Lillie, Lilly - England -New Zealand - 1800 to now
Dykins - Wales, England, New Zealand - 1752 to now
Reynolds, England- 1800 to now
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newbe_nz
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Thanks for the link.
Will order the birth ceretificate at end of month when I have some funds
Will let you know when it arrives and what is on it
Newbe
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Lilley,Lillie, Lilly - England -New Zealand - 1800 to now
Dykins - Wales, England, New Zealand - 1752 to now
Reynolds, England- 1800 to now
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cispt2
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For all who are interested, i had this reply today that seems to indicate the individual churches still hold their own records. Will follow up with the archives at some point to see if they can put me in touch with the churches.
"Dear Matt,
I believe the King's Chapel holds its own records as does the Holy Trinity
Cathedral. Both are Anglican churches. The Cathedral of St. Mary the Crowned
holds mainly Catholic records.
The Gibraltar Government Archives can be reached on (+350) 200 79461
All the best with your research."
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