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nelwild
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mary ann berry
« on: Wednesday 08 July 09 13:32 UTC (UK) »
hello,im trying to find the family of mary ann berry born 1855 milford haven according to 1881 census.she married charles hambleton in 1881.her marriage cert says her father is joseph berry,sailmaker,deceased.i cant find anything on 1861/71 census,if anyone can help id be grateful,thanks,nel.
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Re: mary ann berry
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 08 July 09 14:54 UTC (UK) »
Isn't Milford Haven in Pembrokeshire Wales?

Have you checked the 1861/71 Welsh census or just the English one
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Re: mary ann berry
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 08 July 09 15:20 UTC (UK) »
Hi

This might be her in 1861 Wales census:  RG 9, Piece 4161, Folio 10 page 14

David J Berry   Seaman absent  ( this entry has been crossed through)
Elizabeth Berry 24  Seaman's wife
Mary Ann Berry   4  daughter born abt 1857 Hakin Pembs
Sthiwell Berry   11 mths daughter

Living at 33 Hill St, Hubberston in the borough of Milford

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Re: mary ann berry
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 08 July 09 15:35 UTC (UK) »
Hi Jan

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her marriage cert says her father is joseph berry,sailmaker,deceased
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Re: mary ann berry
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 08 July 09 15:39 UTC (UK) »
Hi

Mary Ann Berry m Charles Hambleton in Gloucestershire

Marriages Jun 1881
HAMBLETON    Charles    Barton R.    6a    318

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Re: mary ann berry
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 08 July 09 16:01 UTC (UK) »
Births June qtr 1860 

Sthiea Maria BERRY  Haverfordwest  11a 730
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Re: mary ann berry
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 08 July 09 16:07 UTC (UK) »
If that 1861 entry is correct - then Mary Ann Berry was actually Mary Ann Williams

Marriages December qtr 1858 

David Joseph Berry  Haverfordwest  11a 1107   
Elizabeth Williams
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Re: mary ann berry
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 08 July 09 16:47 UTC (UK) »
Hi Carole

If he was a seaman in 1861 perhaps he retired from the sea and became a sail maker  Cheesy or is that what you were saying? David J Berry - J for Joseph?

I can't see any more that fit at the moment.

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Re: mary ann berry
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 08 July 09 18:12 UTC (UK) »
Hi

I think it's probably the right 1861 as it's the only possible fit.  I suspect she took her stepfathers surname but why Joseph on her marriage cert if he was David?
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Re: mary ann berry
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 08 July 09 19:02 UTC (UK) »
many thanks to everyone for this,i think youve probably cracked it  between you.on the 1881/91,when mary anns married to charles hambleton,shes given one daughter a very unusual name,staicha or startha,this sounds very similar to the sisters name.if she was only married for a few years it might not be easy to discover who she married before david, as williams is a prolific welsh name.it would be nice to know her birth name.welsh research is a headache,nel.
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« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 08 July 09 20:31 UTC (UK) »
I doubt she was married before marrying David.  I think Mary Ann was illegitimate.  If she was the legitimate child of a previous marriage - she would not have married under the surname Berry - she would have married under her birth surname

I suspect David treated her as his own child
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« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 08 July 09 20:38 UTC (UK) »
Deaths June qtr 1862   

David Joseph Berry  Haverfordwest  11a 454
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« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 08 July 09 21:05 UTC (UK) »
There doesn't seem to be a Mary Ann Berry's birth registered in Pembrokeshire around 1856. So it it probably that she was registered as Mary Ann Williams. Unfortunately there are 3 or 4 that were born in Haverfordwest at that time!

I wonder if David was her biological father and that's why she married under the name of Berry.  I presume as she was over 21 she wouldn't have had to show her birth certificate as proof of age? Perhaps she didn't know she wasn't a Berry!

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« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 08 July 09 22:29 UTC (UK) »
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Perhaps she didn't know she wasn't a Berry!

I think you have hit the nail on the head there.  She was only about 1yr old when Elizabeth & David married and only 5 when David Berry died so it was probably easier to let her think she was his child
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Re: mary ann berry
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 09 July 09 12:44 UTC (UK) »
thank you everyone,so it looks like she was illigitimate and williams was her mothers birth name,then she grew up thinking david berry was her real father.have i got that right,nel.
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