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Dizzifish
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Re: Madge? Winfield Family Tree.
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 09 July 09 08:06 UTC (UK) »
The death found of Annie in 1916 won’t be the right Annie as she would be a Winfield not a Towle…. Cry

The marriage of Samuel to Caroline……I wonder if this Samuel is Samuel snr’s son?

From Derbyshire Registrars index;

Samuel Winfield married Caroline Elsie Towle at St Werburgh, Derby in 1915

Likely birth from FreeBMD
Births JunQ 1894   
TOWLE  Caroline Elsie    Derby  7b 555

Do you think Madge was Samuel jnr’s daughter?

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Re: Madge? Winfield Family Tree.
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 09 July 09 08:34 UTC (UK) »
I think that the best chance we have is to find out when Madge died - her age should be on her death record, which would make it much easier to establish a time to be searching for her birth.

Henery - do you have any idea at all of when she might have died?
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Re: Madge? Winfield Family Tree.
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 09 July 09 08:53 UTC (UK) »
Quote from: Dizzifish on Thursday 09 July 09 08:06 UTC (UK)
The death found of Annie in 1916 won’t be the right Annie as she would be a Winfield not a Towle…. Cry


Sorry - that's just me having a mindwarp when typing it out.  The Annie who died in 1916 died as WINFIELD, not TOWLE.  Have amended above.

I agree that it would be most helpful to identify Madge's death, as I said further up the thread.

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Re: Madge? Winfield Family Tree.
« Reply #18 on: Thursday 09 July 09 09:25 UTC (UK) »
Ooh good…..so it seems that the death for Annie was correct - but then it still can’t be a remarriage for her husband Samuel as Annie died 1916 and the marriage for Samuel to Caroline Towle was 1915 and if Annie Winfield died in 1916 she isn’t the mother of Madge anyway?
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Re: Madge? Winfield Family Tree.
« Reply #19 on: Thursday 09 July 09 13:45 UTC (UK) »
Hi genjen
First more info from family memories.
Believe that Madge died about 10 years ago.
She was a Margaret (but I am a bit wary of this in case it was auto suggestion).

Many, many thanks for the details of other siblings.
   Elizabeth.  Born Sep. 1912.
   Frank.       Born Jun.  1916.
Will follow these up with family.

The marriage of  a Samuel Winfield to Caroline Towle in 1915 is possible I suppose if he married his dead wifes sister.
The possibility of Samuel Junior marrying  someone from his mother's
side of  family seems more remote, or illegal.

I am amazed at the information you have all managed to amass on this
quest and am now more optimistic that you will eventually find Madge for me.

Henery
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Re: Madge? Winfield Family Tree.
« Reply #20 on: Thursday 09 July 09 17:06 UTC (UK) »
Quote from: Dizzifish on Thursday 09 July 09 09:25 UTC (UK)
Ooh good…..so it seems that the death for Annie was correct - but then it still can’t be a remarriage for her husband Samuel as Annie died 1916 and the marriage for Samuel to Caroline Towle was 1915 and if Annie Winfield died in 1916 she isn’t the mother of Madge anyway?

Oh yes - all good points!  It can't be the same Samuel getting married because Annie wasn't yet dead.

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Re: Madge? Winfield Family Tree.
« Reply #21 on: Thursday 09 July 09 17:09 UTC (UK) »
Quote from: henery on Thursday 09 July 09 13:45 UTC (UK)

Believe that Madge died about 10 years ago.
She was a Margaret (but I am a bit wary of this in case it was auto suggestion).


If this is right then it's good news as her death record will give her birthdate.

But what was her surname at death (had she married?) - and where in the country is she likely to have died?

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Re: Madge? Winfield Family Tree.
« Reply #22 on: Thursday 09 July 09 17:45 UTC (UK) »
I have had a look at deaths from 1990 - 2000ish and there are several possibilities - some Margaret, some Marjorie. So a clearer idea of where she was when she died would help to eliminate some of the candidates.

I have searched only as Winfield as we haven't had anything to say that she married.

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Re: Madge? Winfield Family Tree.
« Reply #23 on: Friday 10 July 09 14:12 UTC (UK) »
genjen
Have looked at your info on Elizabeth A. B1912 Chesterfield and it seems spot on. In 1911 their previous daughter (Emma) was born in
Holmewood Derbyshire, near Chesterfield.
The info on Frank A. (with mother Towle) also  fits in.
But I see in Freebmd that there is also a
Frank Winfield B Mar1915 Basford 7b492
mother is given as Winfield! Samuel senior's birth was registered at Basford in 1878 and a large portion of his children were registered there.
What I am trying to say, is this all a case of intermarriage between
Samuel Junior and a member of the Towle family? Or a mistake on Freebmd.
Regards
Henery  Huh Huh Huh
p.s. I am awaiting info from family on whether Madge was married and where she died. Hope to have this soon.
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Re: Madge? Winfield Family Tree.
« Reply #24 on: Friday 10 July 09 14:32 UTC (UK) »
Hi Henery,

I have looked at the original image and Frank A, 1915, Basford, definitely has mother's maiden name as Winfield. He could be the illegitimate son of another member of the Winfield clan, only his birth certificate will tell you that, I'm afraid.

It was not at all uncommon to have two families linked by more than one marriage. In my family I have so many Hays and Alexanders marrying each other that I can't keep track of who belongs to whom! It is legal in the UK for first cousins to marry, so no need to worry about that! Wink
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Re: Madge? Winfield Family Tree.
« Reply #25 on: Saturday 11 July 09 14:34 UTC (UK) »
Hi,

Could Madge have been an 'Aunt in law' rather than an Aunt, so married to one of the WINFIELD brothers. I found this marriage,

Harold WINFIELD    Mar Q 1929    Rotherham    9c  1009
Madge GOUGH

Rotherham is only about 14 miles from Chesterfield.


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Re: Madge? Winfield Family Tree.
« Reply #26 on: Saturday 11 July 09 17:14 UTC (UK) »
Hello Daisypetal

There was a sibling called Harold Winfield Born 1901.
But he is believed to have married a Ann Yates at Chesterfield .
      Sep.Q 1923  Chesterfield 7b1774.
This was the family home, registration district.
Of course he  might have remarried for some reason and Rotherham is not far from Chesterfield.
Maybe Ann died shortly after her marriage I will have to look look on Freebmd.

Many thanks for your input on my quest.

Henery  Smiley
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Re: Madge? Winfield Family Tree.
« Reply #27 on: Sunday 12 July 09 17:57 UTC (UK) »
Hi Genjen
Finally have Madge's married name which was Thompson.
She died at Harper Hill near Buxton Derbyshire at the age of 80.
Husbands name was Frank.
She may be buried at Burbage near Buxton, but don't take that as correct.

When talking to a surviving relative ( She got a little confused)
I mentioned the name Elizabeth B1912 and she suddenly said that was Madges name!!!!This I think again is auto suggestion.
Hope you find the real Madge for me.

Regards
Henery
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Re: Madge? Winfield Family Tree.
« Reply #28 on: Sunday 12 July 09 18:23 UTC (UK) »
Now we're talking!

How about this for a marriage?

Dec qtr 1933

Marjory E. A. WINFIELD
Frank THOMPSON

Chesterfield 7b 1813


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Re: Madge? Winfield Family Tree.
« Reply #29 on: Sunday 12 July 09 18:29 UTC (UK) »
Quote from: henery on Sunday 12 July 09 17:57 UTC (UK)
I mentioned the name Elizabeth B1912 and she suddenly said that was Madges name!!!!This I think again is auto suggestion.


I wonder whether she was in fact Elizabeth A. at birth (per the 1912 registration) and then the Marjory was added on later?

Anna
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Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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