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F.H.
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Hi all.
How can I find out about people with German names or roots who lived in West Ham during the first war?
ie. how they were treated.
Any info would be appreciated, thank you.
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Heins, Fedde, Davis, Amor, Sharp, Sutton, Snelling.
West Ham, Middlesex, London, Romford, Ilford, Manor park.
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charlotteCH
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Hi FH, Do you think they were interned?
charlotte
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HARGREAVES, HANSON, BAILEY, BURTON, HEWITT, JAGGER, LOCKWOOD, UTTLEY, RUDD, TAYLOR, HOLDEN, SHAW Halifax / Sowerby/ Southowram 18C+
GILL, Accrington, Blackburn, West Derby, Lancs, migrated USA 1891 to RI: GILL in SC: HOTCHKISS in RI: PELOQUIN in RI
HUMPHRIES, HILLIER, ALLEN, LYDBURY Nunney/Frome 18-19C
HUMPHRIES, JOYCE, HEWITT, ROBINSON, McMULLEN, SUFFEL, CARNEY, MARRON, COMPTON, FREEMAN Ont. Canada 1830+
PILSEN, Sask.
82nd Regt of Foot 1808-1825
1st WRY Militia 1780-1800
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F.H.
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Hi Charlotte.
That is what I would like to find out.
My GG grandfather came here from Hanover in the 1850's and I know there was a lot of anti German feelings around the wars.
I would like to find out how he, or his English children with a German surname were treated.
How can I find out if someone was interned?
Thanks,
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Heins, Fedde, Davis, Amor, Sharp, Sutton, Snelling.
West Ham, Middlesex, London, Romford, Ilford, Manor park.
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charlotteCH
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My guess, and it's only a guess, would be that interning people in England would have been a matter for the War Ministry of the time... but where their records are now then becomes the question.
have you tried seaching on TNA to see if it has anything on internments during WW1?
Just casting around for ideas 
charlotte
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HARGREAVES, HANSON, BAILEY, BURTON, HEWITT, JAGGER, LOCKWOOD, UTTLEY, RUDD, TAYLOR, HOLDEN, SHAW Halifax / Sowerby/ Southowram 18C+
GILL, Accrington, Blackburn, West Derby, Lancs, migrated USA 1891 to RI: GILL in SC: HOTCHKISS in RI: PELOQUIN in RI
HUMPHRIES, HILLIER, ALLEN, LYDBURY Nunney/Frome 18-19C
HUMPHRIES, JOYCE, HEWITT, ROBINSON, McMULLEN, SUFFEL, CARNEY, MARRON, COMPTON, FREEMAN Ont. Canada 1830+
PILSEN, Sask.
82nd Regt of Foot 1808-1825
1st WRY Militia 1780-1800
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F.H.
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I'll have a look Charlotte, thank you.
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Heins, Fedde, Davis, Amor, Sharp, Sutton, Snelling.
West Ham, Middlesex, London, Romford, Ilford, Manor park.
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F.H.
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Hi Ady.
Well, I took a look at http://yourarchives.nationalarchives.gov.uk/index.php?title=Internment and got absolutely lost on that site...
Could not make head nor tail of it, but thanks anyway.
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Heins, Fedde, Davis, Amor, Sharp, Sutton, Snelling.
West Ham, Middlesex, London, Romford, Ilford, Manor park.
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JustinL
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There had been an growing German community in London, particularly east London, since the 17th century as testified by the number and age of German Lutheran churches in London.
I would say that internment would only have been an issue for German immigrants under the age of about 50 who had not become naturalised British subjects and therefore not taken the oath of allegiance. The closing years of the 19th century saw the ever-increasing likelihood of war with Germany. I think this led to an increase in the number of naturalisations. My ggf 'took the oath' in 1902 before returning to England from South Africa; his brother had naturalised 10 years earlier in London.
Your ancestors were probably well-assimilated by that time, being 'more English than the English'. I believe that anti-German sentiments were far stronger in the inter-war years.
Anyway, it's a very interesting field. I would suggest that you try to find some books about immigrant communities in the UK. The Anglo-German Family History Society may be able to suggest a few.
Justin
PS My ancestors experienced the reverse situation. My ggf's eldest brother had become a naturalised British subject in Australia in the 1890s. However, he and his wife moved to Brussels in the early 20th century. Although he was harrassed by the Germans after the occupation, being 70 he was not interned. His son, however, happened to be on his honeymoon visiting his parents in August 1914. Both he and his German wife (!) were interned for four years.
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F.H.
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Thank you for that Justin. That was very interesting.
How did you find out about your ggf taking the oath in 1902, and how would you find out about naturalization.
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Heins, Fedde, Davis, Amor, Sharp, Sutton, Snelling.
West Ham, Middlesex, London, Romford, Ilford, Manor park.
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charlotteCH
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F.H.,
You're not on your own- so many people get bushed about that TNA site... it's not you but the site that is impossible 
charlotte
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HARGREAVES, HANSON, BAILEY, BURTON, HEWITT, JAGGER, LOCKWOOD, UTTLEY, RUDD, TAYLOR, HOLDEN, SHAW Halifax / Sowerby/ Southowram 18C+
GILL, Accrington, Blackburn, West Derby, Lancs, migrated USA 1891 to RI: GILL in SC: HOTCHKISS in RI: PELOQUIN in RI
HUMPHRIES, HILLIER, ALLEN, LYDBURY Nunney/Frome 18-19C
HUMPHRIES, JOYCE, HEWITT, ROBINSON, McMULLEN, SUFFEL, CARNEY, MARRON, COMPTON, FREEMAN Ont. Canada 1830+
PILSEN, Sask.
82nd Regt of Foot 1808-1825
1st WRY Militia 1780-1800
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JustinL
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By that I mean that he became a naturalised British subject. Some very helpful people managed to track down the documentation to the Cape Town archives.
You can search the online catalogues of the National Archives in Kew for naturalisation papers? What were the names of your ancestors?
Returning to the subject of anti-German sentiment, have a look at this:
http://www.british-genealogy.com/forums/showthread.php?t=42334
Justin
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Rena
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My g.grandfather b1854 in Hanover married an English girl. Three of their sons were in the Royal Army Medical corp and were sent to the war zones in mainland Europe. Their oldest brother b1874 was called up with the other 'old' men at the end of the war and was actually entrusted with a rifle, which did no good as he was killed in action August 1918. Meanwhile back in England their father had to report to the local police station every day.
On the other hand their same generation English born cousins were sent to a detention camp for aliens (I'm having a senior moment & can't recall whether it was Isle of Man or Isle of Wight). Presumably this was because both their mother and father were of German origin who arrived in the UK as children in the 1860's
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JustinL
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Rena,
That's a fascinating story. Had your ggf become naturalised?
Like your family, my gf and his brothers served in WWI, but I wonder now if their father had to report to the police station.
Justin
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