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Topic: Germans in West Ham 1914-18 (Read 668 times)
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Clincher2
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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I've just seen this thread. In the West Ham area a lot of German men worked in the sugar industry - very hard work before mechanisation. That's where Tate & Lyle had their big factory by the Thames.
Also I am pretty sure that naturalisation had to be publicised by an announcement in the London Gazette (which is a kind of official government newspaper). You can search the London Gazette for yonks back in time and it's free.
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Rena
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James McCarthy
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Hi Justin,
There's no surviving naturalization record in the archives. I'm assuming all old documents have been disposed of by later generations excepting the photos and paperwork that were destroyed when family homes in Hull were blitzed in WWII. The only thing that my grandmother had of her late father's was his brass pocket watch.
My mother told me that all 'aliens' who were allowed to live in their homes had to report daily to the police station. Maybe my ancestor could prove he had no ties with Germany as I know some of his younger siblings and both parents died between 1860's-1881.
Herman as a teenager in the 1870's worked in a tailor's sweatshop for a while. He got lucky one day when he was walking down a street and an old fellow standing at a gate said to him; "Hey lad, can you work a saw?" Of course he could (not). He was set to work straight away in a timber sawmill which employed him for the next four decades.
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Aberdeen: Findlay-Shirras,McCarthy
Leith area: Mason, Telford, Darling, Cruikshanks, Sime, Bell
Lanarks:Crum, Brown, MacKenzie,Cameron, Glen, Millar
Ross, Urray:Mackenzie
Moray: Findlay; Marshall/Marischell
Perthshire: Brown Ferguson
Wales: McCarthy, Thomas
England: Almond, Askin, Dodson, Harrison, Maw, McCarthy, Munford, Pye, Shearing, Smith, Smythe, Speight, Strike, Wallis/Wallace, Ward, Wells
Germany: Flamme,Ehlers, Bielstein, Germer, Mohlm, Reupke
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F.H.
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Posts: 308
Census information Crown Copyright, from www.natio
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Well thanks everyone for the info, I'm trying to digest as much as I can.
Justin, my GG grandfather was Johann Friederich HEINS and he married here in 1854 under the name Frederick HEINS. When he arrived here he lived in Mile End and he too was a sugar baker. I looked at the Heinrich Rudolph HEINS, but again could not make out much. My GGgth JFH had a younger brother Heinrich.
Thank you all, any more is appreciated.
F H
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Heins, Fedde, Davis, Amor, Sharp, Sutton, Snelling.
West Ham, Middlesex, London, Romford, Ilford, Manor park.
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loo
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If you want to read up on this topic, please look at my bibliography here:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,112434.0.html
TAking out British citizenship did not prevent one from being interned necessarily. Also, be aware that a lot of people told the census taker that they had been naturalized, when in fact they had not been.
Children were sometimes interned as well.
It's the Isle of Man, not Wight. - although some were interned in ships off south coast.
I had a German-origin rellie in WEst Ham too. It was an a way out of the East End for a lot of people at the time. This rellie of mine managed to avoid internment. A lot of people, like him, would change their names to English ones, especially if they did not have an accent.
The English wives automatically became aliens as well, which caused a lot of hardship.
There were a lot of hoodlum-type activitiy towards persons of German ancestry, looting and ransacking etc, especially after the Lusitania incident.
TNA does have the list of older internees online and searchable. This is the list of men who were released, I think, as being too old for combat. However, I am unable to find the link at the moment.
I suggest you join the Anglo-German Family History ASsociation. They have done a lot of research, and will check their records for you for a small fee, if you join. Also, I am fairly sure they published a book(let) about the sugar bakers. It was an awful job from what I can make out, and it was mostly the new arrivals who worked there, i think, until they could move on.
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ARMSTRONG - Castleton Scot, Westminster Twp
BARFIELD - Nailsea & NL
BRAKE - Nailsea
BURIATTE
CANDY - M'sex, Deptford
CLIFFORD - Maidstone
DURE(E) - France, Devon, Canada
HALLS - Chigwell
KREIN
LEOPOLD - Hanover, London
LATTIMER - lightermen
MAXWELL - lightermen
MEYER - Lauenstein
MURRAY - Scot.borders
STEWART - Chelsea; Reach
SWANICK - Co.Mayo & Roscommon; Ontario
WEST - Rochester & Maidstone
WILLIS - Wilts, Berks, Hants, London
WOODHOUSE - Bristol, London
WW1 internments
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