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rjohn
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Frank jackson
« on: Saturday 11 July 09 05:58 UTC (UK) »

I am trying to find a Frank Jackson b.May 8, 1855, Canada. I do not know
where, just in Canada. Came to the U.S. in 1876, according to a 1900 census. His name on a U.S. census is Harlon. So maybe Harlon Frank, or Frank Harlon. Later Harlon was Hiriam, may have been a mix up?Huh
I really do not know anything about him before 1900. Our family does not
know where he really came from other than the older ones said he was
from Canada. He may have been an orphan.Or maybe he was wanted. He may have had a sister Charlotte, but really no clue as to that. A mystery of
his identity that I can't find before he married my great grandmother. I can
not seem to find anything. Does anyone know where or how to
look in Canada? He was a horse trader in 1900 in U.S. If I could find who
his parents were(death certificate says parents unknown).
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Re: Frank jackson
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 11 July 09 06:34 UTC (UK) »

Hirjohn and welcome to roostchat Grin

May I ask where you learned the birth date of 8 May 1855 for your man?

Canadian records are kept by Province so searching means going thru each Province... slow business as far as I have experience.

If the death cert says "parents unknown" it would seem to me that the infomant about the death just didn't know.   Does the name of the infomant mean anything to you?  Was he a relative? Where did the death occur? 

There are many uncertainties in what you tell us... how do you conclude that the  surnames, Jackson, Harlon and Hiriam refer to the same man?  Huh
I'm trying to understand how all this fits together so can suggest a line of action. 

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HARGREAVES, HANSON, BAILEY, BURTON, HEWITT, JAGGER, LOCKWOOD, UTTLEY, RUDD, TAYLOR, HOLDEN, SHAW  Halifax / Sowerby/ Southowram 18C+

GILL, Accrington, Blackburn, West Derby, Lancs, migrated USA 1891 to RI: GILL in SC: HOTCHKISS in RI: PELOQUIN in RI 

HUMPHRIES, HILLIER, ALLEN, LYDBURY  Nunney/Frome 18-19C

HUMPHRIES, JOYCE, HEWITT, ROBINSON, McMULLEN, SUFFEL, CARNEY, MARRON, COMPTON, FREEMAN  Ont. Canada 1830+

PILSEN, Sask.

82nd Regt of Foot 1808-1825
1st WRY Militia 1780-1800
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Re: Frank jackson
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 11 July 09 09:24 UTC (UK) »

Charlotte, I think rjohn meant that Harlon and Hiriam were given names used by Frank, not surnames.

Jacquie
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Canada: Patterson, Brown, Haidenger/Heidinger, Meyer, Johnston(e), Gorsuch, Kitchin/Kitchen
United States: Patterson, Smith, Brown, Vance, Bower(s), Newberry, Best, Love, Gorsuch
England (Northumberland): Brown, Whitfield, Henderson
Scotland (Glasgow, Edinburgh, Fife, East Lothian): Johnston(e), Bell, Galloway, Campbell, Robertson, Williamson, Thomson, Crawford
Germans from Russia: Haidenger/Heidinger, Meyer, Meach, Lorenz
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Re: Frank jackson
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 11 July 09 10:11 UTC (UK) »

Ok Jacquie, I read it incorrectly Roll Eyes

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HARGREAVES, HANSON, BAILEY, BURTON, HEWITT, JAGGER, LOCKWOOD, UTTLEY, RUDD, TAYLOR, HOLDEN, SHAW  Halifax / Sowerby/ Southowram 18C+

GILL, Accrington, Blackburn, West Derby, Lancs, migrated USA 1891 to RI: GILL in SC: HOTCHKISS in RI: PELOQUIN in RI 

HUMPHRIES, HILLIER, ALLEN, LYDBURY  Nunney/Frome 18-19C

HUMPHRIES, JOYCE, HEWITT, ROBINSON, McMULLEN, SUFFEL, CARNEY, MARRON, COMPTON, FREEMAN  Ont. Canada 1830+

PILSEN, Sask.

82nd Regt of Foot 1808-1825
1st WRY Militia 1780-1800
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Re: Frank jackson
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 11 July 09 16:18 UTC (UK) »

Hi John,

There is a Frank Jackson born abt 1854 with a sister named Charlotte on the 1861 census for the township of York,  county of York. Mother is just given as Mrs Jackson, she is 35 & a widow, it says they were all born in upper Canada.

I'm not saying this is your man, but it may be a good starting point. I will look around for Frank using the other names.

Cordially,
Lisa

I'm pretty sure I can find this family in the 1881 census so I don't think its your man.
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Re: Frank jackson
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 12 July 09 03:05 UTC (UK) »

Hi John,

if this is your Frank and he lived and died in Ontario he may well be buried there and you might get lucky and find the grave on the Ontario Cemetery Finding Aid.   Its on the net as OCFA and is free to search.
Ilocate a very lost relative thru this... you might see a cluster of Jacksons whose names ring bells for you.  Worth a look.

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HARGREAVES, HANSON, BAILEY, BURTON, HEWITT, JAGGER, LOCKWOOD, UTTLEY, RUDD, TAYLOR, HOLDEN, SHAW  Halifax / Sowerby/ Southowram 18C+

GILL, Accrington, Blackburn, West Derby, Lancs, migrated USA 1891 to RI: GILL in SC: HOTCHKISS in RI: PELOQUIN in RI 

HUMPHRIES, HILLIER, ALLEN, LYDBURY  Nunney/Frome 18-19C

HUMPHRIES, JOYCE, HEWITT, ROBINSON, McMULLEN, SUFFEL, CARNEY, MARRON, COMPTON, FREEMAN  Ont. Canada 1830+

PILSEN, Sask.

82nd Regt of Foot 1808-1825
1st WRY Militia 1780-1800
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Re: Frank jackson
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 12 July 09 20:47 UTC (UK) »

Where was he living in 1900? I can't see him on there...
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Re: Frank jackson
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 12 July 09 21:10 UTC (UK) »

There is one listed 1871 census Wilmot South Waterloo Ont  :
http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html?datestamp=1207596135593#start
as Hirum Jackson birth circa 1855


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Re: Frank jackson
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 12 July 09 22:10 UTC (UK) »

http://db.library.queensu.ca/census/  others in the region (heads/strays)1871 Ont. census were:
JAMIMAH JACKSON age 6 b. Ontario in Wilmot ( * also says 2 deaths in last 12 months!)
so mother may have died in childbirth
JOHN  JACKSON age 50 born Ireland... in Wilmot
SETH JACKSON age 19 b. ONT in Wilmot...of IRISH descent
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Re: Frank jackson
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 12 July 09 22:30 UTC (UK) »

Here is the family in 1861,  http://www.rootschat.com/links/06p0/ He is transcribed as Tram
although they don't show up in the transcribed OGSON one http://ontariocensus.rootsweb.ancestry.com/transcripts/1861/3352-index2.html!
John age 45 / 1816
Fanny - age 38 / 1823 born Ontario of German descent
Mary - age 16 /1845
Susanna - age 11 / 1850
John - age 10 / 1851
Sampson- age 8 / 1853
Tram age 5 / 1856
Fanny - age 3 / 1858
Jemima- age 2 / 1859


Now see that Fanny is still with them and is on the 1871 here:
 http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html?datestamp=1207596135593#p=collectionDetails;t=searchable;c=1551612
Put in surname only under 1871 collection...Wilmot, waterloo


argh.....sorry I wasted your time...as Hiram & Sampson are in B.C. occ. butchers in 1881 ( Fanny & John there too...)...but yours was in the U.S. by 1881...although where is he, then, by the way, in 1881?

I don't see Sampson or Hiram in 1891
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/census-1891/index-e.html

am adding family as Jakson 1851/52 census anyway, for others searching
http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/census52/SurnameSearch.jsp?surname=jakson&ew=w
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Re: Frank jackson
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 15 July 09 22:36 UTC (UK) »

My Frank Jackson  could be anyone. On his death certificate  the informant
was  a son Andrew Jackson. Frank's B/P says Alexandria, Nebraska(U.S.),
and parents unknown. However old timers in Family say he was born in
Canada. He came to U.S. in 1876 according to a 1900 Iowa (U.S) census, has his birthdate as 1861 born in Canada. He is with his wife Tidy and that is how
I can identify him and her(my Great-great grandparents) I never have found
a Frank in Nebraska . The Iowa census has Harlon, but it has to be Harlow T
before it comes up. Think someone misread harlon for Harlow. My Frank is
buried in Tx. Died in 1936 So, before 1900 I don't know  which Frank he is.
He was a horsetrader on 1900 census, and 1910. 1900 census has harlon, after that was Frank . Some speculate if he could be the Frank Jackson
who rode with Sam Bass the outlaw in Tx.  Sam Bass was shot in 1878 and
member Frank Jackson disapeared, never to be found. I have not found
anything to confirm or deny that. I dont think he actually lived in Canada
after !900, and maybe not after he came here in 1876.  If he were on the run he wouldn't probably give real facts. Huh Some family say that he came out
of Canada  mountains as a boy. And that he was orphaned. Again, who knows.
A mystery!  His wife was Tidy J Simon. Tidy J mothers maiden name was
Lucinda Hardin, daughter of John Hardin
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