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moors
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1841 & 1871 Census Bate family please
« on: Saturday 11 July 09 13:20 UTC (UK) »
I have the census 1851 & 1861 for Henry (Harry) Bates with wife Mary Ann Living Godmanchester and would like the 1841 & 1871 census please.
Henry Bates (B) Godmanchester abt. 1820
Mary Ann (B) Conington Hunts 18abt 1818
Elizabeth (B) Godmanchester abt. 1840
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rosie99
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Re: 1841 & 1871 Census Bate family please
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 11 July 09 14:20 UTC (UK) »
Hi  Smiley

In 1841 at East Street, Godmanchester
Henry Bates age 20 occupation M.S.
Mary Bates age 20
Elibt Bates age 1
all born in county

HO107 piece 453 folio 6/14 page 21

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Re: 1841 & 1871 Census Bate family please
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 11 July 09 14:23 UTC (UK) »
In case it's relevant, living next door to Henry in 1841 is

James Bates age 30 a labourer Farmer
Susan Bates age 30
George Bates age 12
Thos Bates age 10

all born in County

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rosie99
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Re: 1841 & 1871 Census Bate family please
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 11 July 09 16:38 UTC (UK) »
Moors

I see from your other post that Suzard found the family in 1861 and that Henry had died.

Can't find them at the moment in 1871 but have the following marriage for the daughter Mary Ann
at Godmanchester
Samuel Jeffs father Samuel Jeffs
Mary Ann Bates father Henry Bates
15th October 1867

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moors
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Re: 1841 & 1871 Census Bate family please
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 12 July 09 08:50 UTC (UK) »
Thank you Rosie99, Do you know what M.S. stands for please?
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Re: 1841 & 1871 Census Bate family please
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 12 July 09 13:27 UTC (UK) »
Hi Moors

M.S. is a Male Servant  - this link has census abbreviations  http://www.census-helper.co.uk/census-abbreviations/       (I looked at it to make sure  Grin  )
 

I still haven't found the family in 1871 though. 

Rosie
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moors
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Re: 1841 & 1871 Census Bate family please
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 14 July 09 12:36 UTC (UK) »
Rosie 99. I remembered after I sent the message that m.s stood for male servant. Do you think that you could not find the 1871 census for Bates family is because Mary Ann or Ann would have been 53 yrs. could have (D) and the rest of the family are scattered. Martha Bates (B) 1854 John Bates (B) 1851 Alfred Bates (B) 1849 and Harriett Bates (B) 1847 she could have (M) (all (B) Godmanchester) I have not yet looked on the 1881 census. Will do that.  Have young Henry (B) 1845 on 1881 census when (M) also in 1891, but do not have him with wife and children on 1901.  Moors
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rosie99
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Re: 1841 & 1871 Census Bate family please
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 14 July 09 14:44 UTC (UK) »
Hi Moors

For a start in 1871
RG10 Piece 1526  F52 P30 
Cambridge Street Chadley Lane, East, Godmanchester
GARMAN, Frances Head   55   bn Huntingdonshire   
BATES, Harriet Lodger   23    bn Huntingdonshire

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moors
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Re: 1841 & 1871 Census Bate family please
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 15 July 09 15:52 UTC (UK) »
Thank you Rosie99 for that info. did it say what occupation for them?
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Re: 1841 & 1871 Census Bate family please
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 15 July 09 16:08 UTC (UK) »
Hi

Sorry couldn't give full information originally as image wouldn't open  Roll Eyes
Frances was a Labourers widow (and an imbecile)
Harriett had no occupation
Both born Godmanchester.

Rosie
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Re: 1841 & 1871 Census Bate family please
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 16 July 09 11:25 UTC (UK) »
Hi,

How about, transcribed and looks like, Martha BALES b.Godmonster Smiley


1871  RG10/1794  f.72  p.9  Kelvedon, Essex
Felix Hall

Martha BALES   Serv  Unm  17  Domestic Kitchen Maid   Huntingdon Godmonster

Living in the household of Thomas Burch WESTERN.


Regards
Daisy
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moors
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Re: 1841 & 1871 Census Bate family please
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 16 July 09 16:13 UTC (UK) »
Rosie99 Thank you. Perhaps Harriette was looking after the widow.

Daisypetal Thank you. That looks as though it is Martha Bates, obviously the writing/transcribing went astray.
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Bates 1901 census
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 19 July 09 13:26 UTC (UK) »
Rosie99, Is it possible for you to find where the Bates family were on 1901 census, I have them in 1891 In Fulford Yorkshire RG/12/3895/120/14 but as I do not know if they are in this area I do not know where to post the 1901 request, being in the army could be anywhere in or out of the country being in the army. Thank you.
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rosie99
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Re: 1841 & 1871 Census Bate family please
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 19 July 09 15:07 UTC (UK) »
Hi Moors

I think I may have found Julia E Bates in 1901
RG13  P1525 f17 p25
living at 12 Richmond Road, Chesterton, Cambridgeshire
age 26 a Domestic Nurse bn Gibraltar.
Unfortunately it has not been transcribed as Bates and I can't open the image fully.  The transcription is Julia E Baks on FMP. Perhaps SKS can check this for me on A***ry  for me please.

Thanks
Rosie
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Re: 1841 & 1871 Census Bate family please
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 19 July 09 16:54 UTC (UK) »
The image looks like Julia E Baks, and has been transcribed as such on Ancestry. However there's a Carpenter higher up the page where the te looks very much like the k of Baks, so perhaps it is Bates, But numerous other te s on the same page eg Chesterton are clearly te with a crossed t, where the baks k has no sign of a cross stroke on what would be the t. The jury is still out!

David
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