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Topic: Seeking the connection between three WATTS women (Read 640 times)
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'Trish'
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Hi, I am looking for these two Watts women mentioned below:
1851 Census
WATTS, Elizabeth Head Unmarried F 23 1828 Governess Isle of Wight Hampshire
WATTS, Emma Head Unmarried F 27 1824 Governess WarminsterWiltshire
I also have in the Anne Watts Born 1830 Somerset -frome who married Walter Tye
What I am trying to find is the link between these three Watts women, other than Elizabeth and Emma appearing with my 4x Great grandfather James Watts on the 1851 Census as Governesses.
Can anyone find the parents of Elizabeth Watts , Emma Watts & Anne Watts, its to much of a coincidence that the same names keep cropping up - Watts! So therefore I can only presume there must be a connection. I am told Anne Watts was the cousin of Rebecca Watts (dau of James Watts mentioned above) and both lines are suppose to go back to Isaac Watts, The hymnwriter, but as yet have found no connection, the last person on my family tree is Edward Watts born C1700 as yet have not found his parents. I have been going around in circles, I am desperate for help!
Can anyone help me?
regards Trish
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Fear, Puddy, Bunn, Hemsbury - Wedmore Somerset. Watts - Romsey Hants, Frome Somerset, Warminster Wilts & Wokingham Berkshire. Roberts - Newport, Stone Glos, Austin - Blaina Monmouth.
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suzard
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IGI extracted has
Emma Watts c 22 Oct 1824 Warminster Wilts
Parents Isaac Watts/Elisabeth
there is also a son William Henry 1827
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Thornhill, Cresswell, Sisson, Harriman, Cripps, Eyre, Walter, Marson, Battison, Holmes, Bailey, Hardman, Fairhurst Noon-mainly in Derbys/Notts-but also Northampton, Oxford, Leics, Lancs-England Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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heywood
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Hello Trish,
Is James Watts the 5 yr old with Emma and Elizabeth in 1851?
You say that Anne Watts b 1830 is the cousin of James's daughter, Rebecca which seems very strange with the ages 
I have looked at deaths and marriages for Wokingham in Free BMD - Emma seems to have married Edward Moore - they appear in 1861 census and her details fit. I can't see a marriage in Wokingham for Elizabeth- there is a death however but no age given.
As I recall, from an earlier thread, was it established that Isaac Watts did not marry?
There is no Anne in Somerset but there is Ann Watts b 1829 living in the workhouse in Frome with Jeremiah Watts, 40 yrs and some other chidren. They are marked as not born in county.
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Little Nell
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Emma Watts birth is recorded in Dr Williams Library records, which indicates non-conformist origins. Her father was Isaac Watts and her mother was born Elizabeth Small, whose father was William.
Elizabeth Watts born 9 Jan 1827 at Yarmouth on the Isle of Wight is also recorded in Dr Williams Library, with the same parents.
William Henry's birth confirmed in Warminster, and there was a Kate born 9 Dec 1831 in Yarmouth, plus Fanny Small Watts in Andover 2 May 1833.
Can't help with Anne - sorry 
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Little Nell
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Isaac Watts married Elizabeth Small in Warminster 8 Dec 1817. They married in the parish church of St Denys.
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Little Nell
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Unfortunately there are an awful lots of Watts in Wiltshire, not just Warminster - I know, mine came from there too!! And some people were not too careful with the 's' - it got lost, rediscovered at random intervals before my lot decided to lose it altogether. Caused no end of confusion - someone was convinced they were Scottish.
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'Trish'
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I have a diary entry:
'Lizzie Tye - high View Cottage, Monewden, Woodbridge
Brother at Ipswich - Edward Watts Tye (There are two Edward's one with Watts Tye, one without - brothers)
Her mother & Grandma Quick were cousins, so Rebecca Quick nee Watts (my 3x Great grandmother) was cousin to Ann Tye nee Watts, (but cannot find the connection from Ann Tye and Rebecca Quick) - descended from two brothers of Isaac Watts brothers''s
Rebecca Quick nee Watts was born 1833 Bracknell
Ann Tye nee Watts was born Wiltshire 1830 so could be cousins. Strange that a niece of Rebecca should call her Grandma Quick?
Rebecca's father was James Watts, Rebecca's brother also James age 5 with Emma Watts and Elizabeth Watts, because they gave such different areas of birth, I presumed that they were not sisters but could be relatives of my Watts who come from Romsey. It has always been presumed that we are descended from the brothers of Isaac Watts the hymnwriter, but there appears a surplus of Isaac Watts, three being in my family alone. There also has been quite a few items come down the line which belonged to Isaac Watts, which one I dont know! Muddled!
The diary entry - but even in this diary in the late 1800's they were presuming the same thing!
1871 Census High Street Hadleigh
TYE Walter Head M M 39 Grocer Draper Suffolk - Mendlesham
TYE Annie Wife M F 41 Miliner Somerset - Frome
TYE Edward W Son M 12 Scholar Suffolk - Hadleigh
TYE Elizabeth Dau F 7 Scholar Suffolk - Hadleigh
TYE Isac Son M 6 Scholar Suffolk - Hadleigh
TYE Edward J Son M 2 Suffolk - Hadleigh
CLARKE Sarah Servnt F 18 Gen Serv Suffolk - Hadleigh
So if this is so Ann Watts born 1830 might be the daughter of Edward Watts born 1762 Romsey. Edward born 1762 Romsey was a brother to Isaac Watts born 1765 Romsey who was James (snr) father.
This is tying me in knots, anyone good at untying knots!
regards Trish
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Fear, Puddy, Bunn, Hemsbury - Wedmore Somerset. Watts - Romsey Hants, Frome Somerset, Warminster Wilts & Wokingham Berkshire. Roberts - Newport, Stone Glos, Austin - Blaina Monmouth.
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'Trish'
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It was Lizzie who lived in Woodbridge, whilst her brother the young Edward was in Hadleigh, running the red dragon pub. What is with parents who name two children with the same name!
I have just looked up Hepzibah and it seems she was illigitimate, can anyone varify this for me?
regards Trish
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Fear, Puddy, Bunn, Hemsbury - Wedmore Somerset. Watts - Romsey Hants, Frome Somerset, Warminster Wilts & Wokingham Berkshire. Roberts - Newport, Stone Glos, Austin - Blaina Monmouth.
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