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'Trish'
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Re: Seeking the connection between three WATTS women
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 14 July 09 07:22 UTC (UK) »
Thanks for the info, I have the 1861 Census which shows two Edwards.  Edward J was the Landlord of the Red Dragon Pub.  I believe he is the one that married May Amelia Watts (not another Watts!).

1871 Census High Street Hadleigh
TYE Walter Head     M     M 39      Grocer Draper  Suffolk - Mendlesham
TYE Annie      Wife      M  F 41 Miliner          Somerset - Frome
TYE Edward W Son     M      12      Scholar          Suffolk - Hadleigh
TYE Elizabeth      Dau      F 7      Scholar          Suffolk - Hadleigh
TYE Isac         Son      M 6      Scholar          Suffolk - Hadleigh
TYE Edward J    Son     M 2               Suffolk - Hadleigh
CLARKE      Sarah      Servnt     F 18      Gen Serv       Suffolk - Hadleigh

Regards Trish
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Re: Seeking the connection between three WATTS women
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 14 July 09 14:37 UTC (UK) »
Yes that's the census I saw with the two Edwards but it is not supported by a birth and the only likeley birth is for Ernest James who then dies as a child.
Edward J Watts does not appear again in any other censuses.
Edward Watts Tye married Mary Amelia and from censuses was not keeping the pub in the censuses to 1901.
Free BMD has the birth and death of Ernest J and the marriage of Edward Watts to verify this.
Was the diary entry written at the current time or by a family researcher later?
I agree that there must be some evidence somewhere for the  Red Dragon - could have been in between censuses or after 1901. Similarly with Lizzie in Woodbridge - the censuses don't show her there.  Undecided

heywood

PS I have looked on here http://suffolkvillages.com/suffolk-index.shtml but can't see a Red Dragon pub Undecided

It's very frustrating  Roll Eyes
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Re: Seeking the connection between three WATTS women
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 15 July 09 11:55 UTC (UK) »
I have just found this:  I believe Edward marrys his housekeeper!


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Re: Seeking the connection between three WATTS women
« Reply #18 on: Wednesday 15 July 09 13:35 UTC (UK) »


Hi trish,
not sure what you mean here - do you mean Edward J is the one who kept the pub?
This Edward J is the son of Edward and Emma Tye of Hoxne and in 1881(and 1891as you say)  they are living at the Red Lion Inn. Edward J is listed as James in 1881.
1861 RG9; Piece: 1151; Folio: 62; Page: 3 has the family when Edward James in s4 yrs old.

This is not your family- Edward Tye married Emma Weavers in Lambeth in 1853- there does not seem to be a connection to Watts.

What do you think? Is the information you have info from a while ago?
heywood
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Alexander, Suffolk and Lancashire; Ashworth,Whitworth, Grindrod Lancashire; Golden, Duffy County Mayo.
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Re: Seeking the connection between three WATTS women
« Reply #19 on: Wednesday 15 July 09 15:22 UTC (UK) »
Hi No thought I had been lucky and just found that.  Never mind, however I am muddled (easily done) is Edward Tye who married Emma Weavers my Edward? So Edward James is mine?  regards Trish
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Re: Seeking the connection between three WATTS women
« Reply #20 on: Wednesday 15 July 09 15:27 UTC (UK) »
No  Wink

As far as I know- you are after Ann Watts who marries Walter Tye - is that right?

They have children - Lizzie (who you refer to with the diary)  and Edward Watts Tye (who marries Mary Amelia Watts from Warminster) (also in diary?) and Ernest James who dies in childhood plus Isaac - not sure if there were any others without checking.

I think you were thinking that Edward J in Hoxne was yours (from the error in names in census).

hope that's ok and clear  Wink
heywood
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Re: Seeking the connection between three WATTS women
« Reply #21 on: Thursday 16 July 09 07:30 UTC (UK) »
OK got that,yes your right Ann Watts who married Walter Tye and yes Edward Watts Tye who married Mary Amelia Watts.  So Edward Tye who married Emma Weavers in Lambeth in 1853- was no relation?  And it still doesnt explain why in the 1861 Census for Hadleigh there were two Edwards one being Edward W & the other Edward J.  So if I am thinking right the census was wrong and should have been Edwin J not Edward J?
The Diary was written by James Watts (jnr) daughter Edith Julia Hall nee Watts.  She must of known the 'Watts Tye' family as she writes about them, knowing exactly where in the UK and what jobs they were doing, but doesnt explain their connection only that Anne Tye nee Watts and Rebecca Quick nee Watts were cousins.  I know that James Watts snr was Rebecca's father.  Isnt it strange that Edith Hall refered to her Aunt Rebecca as Grandma Quick, maybe Rebecca liked being called Grandma?
I hope this helps regards Trish
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Re: Seeking the connection between three WATTS women
« Reply #22 on: Thursday 16 July 09 17:29 UTC (UK) »
Hi Trish,

you're right as far as I know that Edward Tye, Hoxne (married Weavers) is nothing to do with the Tye Watts family.

It was probably just human error that Ernest J was written as Edward J in census and he died just a couple of years later.

Some women really fit the 'Granny' mould and perhaps Rebecca was one of them.

It would be good if the certificate for the marriage for Walter Tye and Ann Watts was purchased to get Ann's father's name. That may help.

heywood
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Alexander, Suffolk and Lancashire; Ashworth,Whitworth, Grindrod Lancashire; Golden, Duffy County Mayo.
'Trish'
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Re: Seeking the connection between three WATTS women
« Reply #23 on: Friday 17 July 09 07:48 UTC (UK) »
Ok thanks for all your help regards Pauline
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