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Topic: Groundwater family - Aberdeen to York County Toronto Canada (Read 438 times)
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Meg jr
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Good evening,
I wonder if I could ask for help on behalf of a friend of mine researching the Groundwater family from Aberdeen who emigrated to Toronto, York County please in the 1850's.
Alexander Lyell Groundwater married Jane McKenzie in Scotland. They had a son called Edward in 1854 in Scotland. In 1859 Alexander remarried in Canada and can be found on the 1861 census on the same page as his brother Watson, other Groundwaters and a boy called Hugh. The relationship of Hugh is not known.His place of birth is recorded as Ireland.
Despite searching for a burial or a death record for Jane McKenzie Groundwater none can be found in Aberdeen. If Hugh is Jane and Alexanders son was he born on board ship on route to Canada, did Jane die at this time perhaps. Or did she die in Canada.
1856/7 is the approximate date that Alexander left for Canada. I have been unable to find any record of him on ships leaving or arriving. His son Edward is recorded back in Scotland by 1871 as Alexander dies in 1863.
Anyone with knowledge of York County can hopefully advise what burial grounds would have been operational in the late 1850's.
I will also post this on the Scotland board in case Jane died in Scotland and is buried there.
If Jane died during the voyage where would the death be recorded? I have tried the death registers at sea, but nothing can be found.
Any references to this family in either Scotland or Canada would be helpful for me to follow up. I have searched the Ships List website and many other emigration websites, but cannot find anything mentioning Alexander and Jane.
Would love to find out what happened to Jane and who Hugh is
Thank you for your time
Meg
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Lisa in California
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My ancestor and possibly your friend's ancestor were almost neighbours in 1860:
Ovens, John, fancy goods and Berlin wool, 219 Yonge st. (my ancestor)
Groundwater, - book-keeper, 346 Yonge-street
And, another direct ancestor of mine:
Mumford, James, butcher, 271 Yonge st.
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« Last Edit: Wednesday 15 July 09 06:28 UTC (UK) by Lisa in California »
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Mumford: Essex/Canada Vaus: Sussex/Surrey Ovens: Ireland/Canada Sarge: Yorkshire/Canada Stuart: Sligo/Canada Fowley: Sligo/Canada Ibbotson: Sheffield/Canada Wakefield: Tuam or Ballinasloe, Ireland Ellison: Co. Wicklow/Canada Furnival: Lancashire/Canada Sullivan: Co. Clare/Canada Lee/DeJongh: Lancashire (Surname: Originated/Place Last Lived) (Canadians lived in Ontario)
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cosmac
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http://www.torontofamilyhistory.org/search.html
This is a pay for information site but it might prove useful.
In 1871 Hugh (15) b. Ireland is living with Watson Groundwater(40) b. Scotland, an accountant and his wife Sarah Groundwater(29) b. Ontario. They are in Toronto West St. John's Ward.
Alexander married Sarah Banks(b. 1836 Yorkshire) April 21, 1859, Watson married Sarah Bell(b.1841 Toronto) Nov 14, 1861
Was James their brother? He married Sarah Wilson nee Mitchell (b. 1843 Ireland) Feb 27 1878.
Debbie
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Meg jr
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Hello Lisa and Debbie - what can I say, except a VERY BIG THANK YOU. I will study all the sites you mention in my search for Jane's death/burial.
Alexander is a bookkeeper. How strange they were neighbours of your family Lisa.
Hugh is a mystery also. He was born 1856 Ireland, but is he the son of Alexander I wonder. No birth records for Ireland that early and not knowing where in Ireland he was born may never find out.
I believe that James was their brother Debbie. Thank you for finding him.
All just wonderful, I will enjoy looking at all the sites and checking for Groundwaters.
Thank you very much
Meg
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Jacquie in Canada
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Canadian, eh!
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I'm wondering if this could be Hugh on the 1901 England census in Barrow in Furness, Lancashire:
Hugh Groundwater, head, 43, mechanical engineer, born Ireland
Mary I Groundwater, wife, 36, born Workington, Cumberland
Atholl H Groundwater, son, 9 months, born Barrow in Furness, Lancashire
Jane Pears, mother-in-law, 69, born Workington, Cumberland
Francis Harvey, boarder, 48, carter, born Ireland
Mary A Brocklebank, boarder, 45, hawker, born Ireland
(Piece: 4011; Folio: 101; Page: 29)
There is a marriage for Hugh Groundwater that has a Mary Isabella Pears on the same page in the FreeBMD that was registered in second quarter of 1898 in Barrow in Furness, Cumbria, Lancashire (Volume: 8e, Page: 1600) and a death for Hugh Groundwater, 59, that was registered in the third quarter of 1913 in Barrow in Furness, Cumbria, Lancashire (Volume: 8e, Page: 922).
It looks like Athol died shortly after the census was taken as his death was registered as follows:
Athol Maud Groundwater, under 1 year, second quarter of 1901 in Barrow in Furness, Cumbria, Lancashire (Volume: 8e, Page: 565).
The 1911 England census has the family as follows:
27 Arthur Street, Barrow in Furness, Lancashire
Hugh Groundwater, head, 49, general labourer, born Banjor, Ireland
Mary I Groundwater, wife, 45, born Workington, Cumberland
Mabel Groundwater, daughter, 9, born Barrow in Furness, Lancashire
Annie Groundwater, daughter, 6, born Barrow in Furness, Lancashire
Jacquie
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Canada: Patterson, Brown, Haidenger/Heidinger, Meyer, Johnston(e), Gorsuch, Kitchin/Kitchen
United States: Patterson, Smith, Brown, Vance, Bower(s), Newberry, Best, Love, Gorsuch
England (Northumberland): Brown, Whitfield, Henderson
Scotland (Glasgow, Edinburgh, Fife, East Lothian): Johnston(e), Bell, Galloway, Campbell, Robertson, Williamson, Thomson, Crawford
Germans from Russia: Haidenger/Heidinger, Meyer, Meach, Lorenz
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Meg jr
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Jacquie you are an absolute star! this is the family. 1911 - of course, should have thought of that. Banjor I think is going to Bangor County Down. This is wonderful as I now can perhaps track down a baptism. The question still is, what was the family doing there. I wonder if they sailed from Scotland for Canada and the ship docked in Ireland and the baby was born. Did Jane die at this time!
Still lots of questions, but so many have many have been answered by the kindness of Rootschatters.
Thank you very very much
best wishes Meg
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