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RebeccaNZ
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Hi,
I am researching Philip Powell born abt 1822, Woolaston.
The only information that I have from him comes from his marriage certificate and the 1861 census - he is living with second wife Maria (nee) Pugsley and children Mary, Philip, Eliza and Amelia. He is living in Canton, Cardiff, Wales. He went on to have two more children - Harriett 1864 and Charles 1866.
On his 1861 marriage certificate to Maria Pugsley in Canton, Cardiff - his father is stated as Philip Powell and his age is 39.
By 1871 - Maria is living with Edward Evans - but there is no marriage record for them and there is no sign of Philip.
The reason why this is a brick wall is because there is absolutely no trace of Philip on the 1851 or 1841 census .... there is no record of a baptism for a Philip Powell born in Woolaston or anywhere nearby at this time. If he died before 1871 then his death has not been registered either.
It's as though he might have changed his name or used a different name .... I can't understand why it's like he doesn't exist before 1861.
A professional genealoger could not even find any more information than this ... I don't really know what to do next.
If anyone has any advice or might know anything about the Powell's from Woolaston or nearby areas then please let me know 
Rebecca
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avm228
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Hi
What a mystery
You say that Maria Pugsley was Philip's second wife. What (if anything) do you know of his first marriage? Have you traced the births of the children born before the marriage to Maria?
Anna
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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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osprey
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see also this post to avoid duplication of look-ups
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,390641.0.html
Have you had any luck with non-conformist records for the Woolaston area?
What about the possible death reg for Philip registered Brecknock 1865 or the possible marriages?
sept qtr 1850 Abergavenny vol 26 pg 39
march qtr 1851 Brecknock vol 26 pg 361
june qtr 1853 Monmouth vol 11a pg 57
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Cornwall: Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Kellett, Tebb
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osprey
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It says Glos on the one census he was found on, and there is a Philip Powell of the right age to be his father buried in Woolaston 1840s, but....
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Cornwall: Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Kellett, Tebb
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osprey
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Have you tried posting on the Forest of Dean site in case someone there has access to/knows about the local non-conformist records?
http://www.forest-of-dean.net/
It was only from 1861 that people not living in houses should have been enumerated, so if Philip was in a navvy camp in 1841 & 1851, he might well not be on the census. The railway excavators did live in camps at times, so it is a possibility.
How can you be certain the certs aren't him if they haven't been ordered them to find out?
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Cornwall: Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Kellett, Tebb
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RebeccaNZ
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Have you tried posting on the Forest of Dean site in case someone there has access to/knows about the local non-conformist records? http://www.forest-of-dean.net/It was only from 1861 that people not living in houses should have been enumerated, so if Philip was in a navvy camp in 1841 & 1851, he might well not be on the census. The railway excavators did live in camps at times, so it is a possibility. How can you be certain the certs aren't him if they haven't been ordered them to find out?
I know I've been a bit lazy about ordering the certificates, I'm not from the UK and British Pounds are like 3 times my currency so I want to make as sure as possible that they are the right ones before I get them.
Yeah, I did post on that website a while back but no one mentioned non conformist records so I might post again.
The brecknock death reg has been ordered by the other person researching Philip and is apparently not the Philip Powell that we are searching for.
Rebecca
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