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Topic: Street family - again!! (Read 490 times)
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johnbarr
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I need a little help along the way !!
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Further to topic # 386489.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,386489
We have now received the Birth Cert of George Street, born 24th Sept 1854 at Nettlebed, Henley. Mother's name is shown as Mary Ann Street - no other name shown, so possibly her maiden name.
HarryW and jillruss could find no sign of the birth on Henley PR.
Can anyone advise if it is likely the birth was not recorded on PR as there was no father? Or any other suggestions?
We have no confirmed record of him from birth in 1854 until marriage in NZ in 1896.
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HarryW
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G Grandfather - Albert Spencer 1861 - 1926
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As clarification:
The Nettlebed PR transcript finishes at 1853.
Jillruss found a GRO reference and also checked the Henley PR (more than one church) transcripts.
There was a possiblity that he had been born in Ipsden, but he does not appear in the PR transcript.
I think you will need someone to look at the original PR.
Harry
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Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukMy Interests: Berkshire: Amor, Beard, Creed, Gale, Noakes, Pearmain, Spencer, White, Willis Cornwall / Devon: Arscott, Coram, Cundy, Eastlake, Minedue, Reeve Essex: Ager, Garrad, Linsell, Pearmain Hampshire: Noakes Norfolk: Fox, Spencer, Wilkins Northumberland: Ager, Bell, Cundy, Gair, Robinson Oxfordshire: Allmond, Beard, Burton, Cobb, Creed, Hilsdon, Nichols, Shurville Wiltshire: Amor Yorkshire: Bell, Fox |
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HarryW
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G Grandfather - Albert Spencer 1861 - 1926
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Hi John,
Yes, I think a check of the original book is your only way forward. It will be a case of someone who is going into the Oxfordshire Records Office being able to look for you (assuming the originals are there - not all are).
Harry
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Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukMy Interests: Berkshire: Amor, Beard, Creed, Gale, Noakes, Pearmain, Spencer, White, Willis Cornwall / Devon: Arscott, Coram, Cundy, Eastlake, Minedue, Reeve Essex: Ager, Garrad, Linsell, Pearmain Hampshire: Noakes Norfolk: Fox, Spencer, Wilkins Northumberland: Ager, Bell, Cundy, Gair, Robinson Oxfordshire: Allmond, Beard, Burton, Cobb, Creed, Hilsdon, Nichols, Shurville Wiltshire: Amor Yorkshire: Bell, Fox |
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jillruss
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Posts: 2925
Gt Gt Grandfather Shepherd from Aberdeen 1827-1910
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I've just had another look at your original thread, where you say that George was possibly born in Nettlebed and that his parents were Thomas and Mary Ann. But later, you say that Mary Ann's maiden name may have been Street! 
So, I'm a bit confused (doesn't take much!).
Can I ask if you can go back to the information you have about George Street that you know for sure? Is it possible that the Nettlebed chap isn't yours at all?
I notice on the 1881 census on Family Search that there is a family living in Cookham, Berkshire (not that far from Nettlebed, Henley):
RG 11 1316/19 Page 9
Thomas Street Head Married age 58 born Cookham, ag lab
Mary Street, wife Married age 55 born Bankside, Surrey charwoman
George Street, son unmarried age 23 born Cookham, ag lab
This George would have a birthdate of c. 1858 - is he too young to be yours?
Jill
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See Surname Interests Table +
Major brickwalls:
John Frith mge to Fanny, Bucks? c 1798
Bathsheba Boothroyd bp W Yks c1802
John Bishop bp E Yks c1758
Joseph Symonds mg to Sarah, prob Berks c 1735-40
John Horwood mg to Martha, Berks c 1735-40
Sarah Sculler bp Berks area c 1675
Paul Phillips bp Berks/Bucks c 1720
William Newell bp Berks/Bucks/Oxon c 1765
Richard Troughton mg to Jane, Westmoreland c 1732
Mary Simon bp Shrops c.1795
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johnbarr
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I need a little help along the way !!
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Hi Jill and Harry.
Thanks for your help.
Original post was based on George's Marriage Cert and a handwritten note from an elderly now deceased relative. MC stated his parents were Thomas and Mary Ann (nee Barrett) and the note gave these names as well as born 23.09.1854 in Nettlebed. So data in note and MC probably came from George himself, and may not be accurate 
Previous thread suggested that possibly the mother was a single woman living in a workhouse with son George and two other children in UK Census of 1861, as there did not appear to be any other George born 1854 living with parents Thomas and Mary Ann in 1861. Of course, it's possible they may have traveled to NZ before then, but we've been unable to find him on any passenger list either.
There is also a George Street born 1854 in Ipsden showing as a lodger in 1871 Census which could be him.
So we ordered the Birth Cert hoping to get confirmation or new data.
Date on Birth Cert was 24.09.1854 (i.e. within one day of previous information) and mother was listed simply as Mary Ann Street with no maiden name given, or father details. So was she married? There appears to be no record of marriage Thomas Street to Mary Ann Barrett.
So Birth Cert does not confirm if his Mum was single or married. We think if he had no father, he may have 'invented' one when asked for parent details at his wedding, and they may not be genuine. So if someone is able to check original PR we'd be very grateful. 
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Timetraveller77
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.natio
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Hello helpers of the George and Mary Ann Street query.
I am the Great granddaughter of George Street, and have been working with Johnbar to help trace this line of my ancestry. Tonight I was online searching the Henley workhouse where Mary Ann and her son George were in 1861. No records for that year appear.
I also checked for deaths by her name, and only came up with two likely dates/places. 1873 (age 38) Easthampstead, Birkshire or 1898 age 61 Islington, London. Not very solid leads sadly.
I am hoping we can find Mary Ann's birth cert. I tried FreeBMD but had no luck, as I only have her estimated birth year (1836) and know she lived and worked in Henley, Nettlebed. But again we don't know where she was born for sure.
Can anyone suggest a way to find this family please?
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Scotland: Barron, Low, Currie, Rae
England: Booth, Pawson, Street, Wainwright
Ireland: Tully/Tullemore
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Timetraveller77
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.natio
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Hi DebbieG, thanks for your help. Wow what a quick response.
I have attached a copy of the 1851 Census which shows Mary Ann Street as a servant (age 15), born oxen, benson. Hope that helps.
Tho the 1871 Census shows her birthplace as essex (I think), working (again the spelling is hard to read).
I have never seen the official 1861 Census with Mary Ann Street on it, as some Rootschat member typed out their findings for JohnBarr originally. Sorry I can't be more helpful. I am still learning 
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« Last Edit: Saturday 07 November 09 21:45 UTC (UK) by Timetraveller77 »
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Scotland: Barron, Low, Currie, Rae
England: Booth, Pawson, Street, Wainwright
Ireland: Tully/Tullemore
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Timetraveller77
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.natio
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Hi DebbieG,
thank u for catching my mistake with the Census image. Don't know what I was thinking. 
The birth for a marianne to Jane Street in 1837 sounds promising, since we have Benson, Ipsden as Mary Ann Streets birth place from an 1851 Census.
But then the Woodward family Census in 1851 clearly shows Marian Street Woodward age 14 at their residence, when we have Mary Ann Street at age 15, as a servant in household of Heath Family, in Henley.
The George connection is also promising though, so I am not ruling out Jane as the mother to mary ann/marrianne/marian Street. Not forgetting mary ann is how the name is spelt on george streets birth cert.
If it helps we have a Census in 1871 showing a mary ann street, age 35, as a lodger housekeeper in the household of william and isabella Janet, westminster.
I wonder then if the death for mary ann street in islington, london, 1898, age 61 could be the same woman. Is islington near westminster? or Rotherfield Greys even?
Thanks again
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Scotland: Barron, Low, Currie, Rae
England: Booth, Pawson, Street, Wainwright
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