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castana1985
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Re: Newbiggin?
« Reply #75 on: Saturday 25 July 09 13:15 UTC (UK) »

Think I've found john Richardson in 1911!
He's listed as a boarder aged 24 born Newbiggin on Sea (transcribed as Newlegin by Sea) working as a coalminer.
He's living with a J H Sterry married aged 34 a coalminer b. Gloucester
his wife Elizabeth Sterry aged 30 b. Bedlington
Their children Violet aged 8 b. Gosforth
Edith aged 5 b. Gosforth and
Henry aged 3 b. Gosforth.
Living at 37 Ashfield Road, Gosforth in Castle Ward.
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Re: Newbiggin?
« Reply #76 on: Saturday 25 July 09 13:44 UTC (UK) »

About 15 mins walk from me Grin

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and the death of an Alexander Richardson, aged 44, Sept q, 1900, Castle Ward, v. 10b p 213



Though where John Seymour, snr and jnr come in, I do not know Roll Eyes  Also - why would he move from Gosforth to Lancashire 1911-1913?


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Re: Newbiggin?
« Reply #77 on: Saturday 25 July 09 19:02 UTC (UK) »

A misdemeanor, maybe?? Something serious enough to move area and change his name?
I wonder if there was anything in the papers about a John Richardson!

I've tried searching for John Seymour with father John... and can't find anything around Newbiggin.
Also, its funny how there was a family story which came from John's son.. that his own father had changed his name... from Ritchie?
They also thought that John was still alive when his wife Mary Jane Sidlow/nee Ashworth died in 1925.

John's age on the 1891 and 1911 census also leads to him being born between April 1886 - 1887.
It will be interesting to see if there is a john richardson born at Newbiggin?
The trouble is, the Morpeth register office, keep sending the cheques back and i have to send them back again! Roll Eyes??

Like you said, there were so many 'untruths' its hard to know which is fact... and where to base the search?

Would be remarkable though if this John Richardson turns out to be my hubbies gt. Grandfather... who lived just 15 mins away from you!!  Shocked

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Re: Newbiggin?
« Reply #78 on: Saturday 25 July 09 19:19 UTC (UK) »

Any chance he might have been Richardson rather than Richie? Witness at his marriage was Jane Richardson.

There is a birth registration in 1885 - John Richardson, September quarter, Morpeth 10b page 359

Newbiggin was in the Morpeth registration district.


Who were this one's parents?

I'm not up on the history of the  coal mines of South Northumberland/Gosforth area but could the one that John worked at have been exhausted and he moved to Failsworth?

I have many mining ancestors who moved from North Wales to Staffordshire to West Yorks, etc. because of such closures.


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« Reply #79 on: Saturday 25 July 09 19:32 UTC (UK) »

Any chance he might have been Richardson rather than Richie? Witness at his marriage was Jane Richardson.

There is a birth registration in 1885 - John Richardson, September quarter, Morpeth 10b page 359

Newbiggin was in the Morpeth registration district.


Who were this one's parents?

I'm not up on the history of the  coal mines of South Northumberland/Gosforth area but could the one that John worked at have been exhausted and he moved to Failsworth?

I have many mining ancestors who moved from North Wales to Staffordshire to West Yorks, etc. because of such closures.


Gadget

Gadget,

There is a John Richardson and a John William Richardson both b. Morpeth Sept Q 1885, but the man at Morpeth said neither were born in Newbiggin!

I have two cheques with the Morpeth Register office and told them the story with my application form.
The thing I'm not sure about is whether we stick to a John Richardson (as there doesn't seem to be any Ritchies around this time) born in Newbiggin and give it a wider time frame... or we are better sticking to the Aug 1885 date and see which John Richardson's fit the bill?
There are other John Richardsons born between 1886 -1887 in Morpeth too.

The surname the family have maintained over the years was Ritchie... but as there was a Jane Richardson at John's wedding it makes sense that it could have been Richardson.

If John did lie about his age for his wedding (as we know Mary Jane Sidlow did - she was 33 in 1911... then she was only 30 when they married!).. then there might just be a John Richardson born in Newbiggin the year after??

Not sure about when the pits starting to disappear? Moving to Manchester would make sense, but there must have been a reason for changing his name!

Tracy

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Re: Newbiggin?
« Reply #80 on: Saturday 25 July 09 19:43 UTC (UK) »

Have found a Jane Ann Richardson 42, widow living at 56 Henry Street, Gosforth in 1901 with son John aged 15. Not sure whether these are the right ones? but would fit in with Alexander dying in 1900.
They are living with Jane's sister Mildred Kell aged 32.

Just thought if Mary Jane had changed her name to Jane Ann... then she could possibly be the witness??

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Re: Newbiggin?
« Reply #81 on: Saturday 25 July 09 19:51 UTC (UK) »


 I browsed the Baptisms of St Bartolomew's, Newbiggin Parish Church
 ( Church of England) today @ County Record Office.

1880-1888

No Seymour, Richardson or Ritchie candidates.
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Generally speaking, the coal mines of Northumberland & Durham thrived until 1950/60s.

( Newbiggin pit 1908-1967)

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Re: Newbiggin?
« Reply #82 on: Saturday 25 July 09 20:02 UTC (UK) »


 I browsed the Baptisms of St Bartolomew's, Newbiggin Parish Church
 ( Church of England) today @ County Record Office.

1880-1888

No Seymour, Richardson or Ritchie candidates.
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Generally speaking, the coal mines of Northumberland & Durham thrived until 1950/60s.

( Newbiggin pit 1908-1967)

M.Dixon

Thank you ever so much Michael for that! Looks like he wasn't christened then? Or we're looking for the wrong name or wrong area!
I suppose there is still a chance of finding a John Richardson who was registered in Newbiggin, especially when one is coming up in the censuses??
Still a glimmer of hope? Roll Eyes
I wonder whether there was some kind of misdemeanor?

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Re: Newbiggin?
« Reply #83 on: Saturday 25 July 09 20:59 UTC (UK) »

I have just searched the Free BMD for Morpeth and found a John Thomas Ritchie born Sep Q 1886?? I'll see if I can find any more on this John??
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Re: Newbiggin?
« Reply #84 on: Saturday 25 July 09 21:21 UTC (UK) »

The family said they think that our John was lodging with Mary Jane and Frank Sidlow before Frank got killed.. is there any way I can trace them between 1911 and 1913?

This might give us a clue to John's true identity?

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Re: Newbiggin?
« Reply #85 on: Wednesday 29 July 09 11:22 UTC (UK) »

Just an update, and thank you to everyone who has helped in this search! Grin

I am waiting on a certificate from Morpeth RO.
I spoke to them today, and they've had specialist family historians working on my John Richardson/ Seymour/Ritchie!
They have found our man and they are also sending some information which will answer a few questions...
I can't wait to see what they have found and what they have to say!
Will keep you posted!

Tracy
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Re: Newbiggin?
« Reply #86 on: Wednesday 29 July 09 15:34 UTC (UK) »

The family said they think that our John was lodging with Mary Jane and Frank Sidlow before Frank got killed.. is there any way I can trace them between 1911 and 1913?

This might give us a clue to John's true identity?

Tracy

Have sent an email to Oldham RO to see if they have any directories to see if we can find John in the above years.
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Re: Newbiggin?
« Reply #87 on: Wednesday 29 July 09 16:03 UTC (UK) »

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they've had specialist family historians working on my John Richardson/ Seymour/Ritchie!

 Shocked  Shocked  Shocked 

Do they offer this service to everyone  Huh  Huh  I shall re-send the enquiries they refused to answer a year or so ago  Grin

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Re: Newbiggin?
« Reply #88 on: Wednesday 29 July 09 16:37 UTC (UK) »

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they've had specialist family historians working on my John Richardson/ Seymour/Ritchie!

 Shocked  Shocked  Shocked 

Do they offer this service to everyone  Huh  Huh  I shall re-send the enquiries they refused to answer a year or so ago  Grin



Hi Jen
I'm sorry about that. I spoke to a lady called Janet today, who was extremely helpful! She was the one who said they'd had the 'experts' looking at my 'John'!!
Maybe this is new?
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Re: Newbiggin?
« Reply #89 on: Thursday 30 July 09 15:43 UTC (UK) »

Got the John Richardson Cert back.
He was born 16th October 1886 to Alexander Richardson (the one in the censuses) and a Christina McLean. Alexander was a coal miner.
They married in 1884 and she died aged 30 in 1887.
Alexander remarried (as we've already found) in 1888.

There is also a John Thomas Ritchie who I'm waiting for news on. If he wasn't born in Newbiggin then I'm assuming it wasn't him.

Its so hard to find the right person, when there are so many discrepancies!

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