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Hi,
Please will someone find the baptism of John Richard Hounslow abt1870/1871 Oxford. The 1871 census records his place of birth as St. Thomas Oxford.
On every census his parents are recorded as William Henry & Eliza Harriett Hounslow (formerly Bourton), however his birth registration is exactly the same as Bessie Gertrude Hounslow who is the child of Henry Thomas & Eliza Hounslow. Someone has already helped me with Bessie's baptism but could not find a baptism for John Richard Hounslow.
Thank You Yvonne Hills
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Have John Richards and Bessy G's Birth Certs got Time of Birth noted (good indication of being twins) - otherwise the fact they have the same Birth Index detail (3a 668 ) may be pure coincidence ?
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Bessy seems to be just Gertrude in 1881 in this Family, whereas John R is with the parents you noted.
1881 - RG11/1504; Folio: 129; Page: 41 - Oxford, St Thomas
56, Wellington Street
Henry Hounslow 36 Head Stableman born Oxon, Barton
Eliza Hounslow 41 Wife Wroxton
Henry Hounslow 12 son Oxford
Girtrude Hounslow 10 dau Oxford
Sarah A. Hounslow 7 dau do
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If Bessie Getrude and John Richard HOUNSLOW were born in Oxford in the same quarter they would have been registered in the Oxford Registration District, possibly on the same page, and could well have the same registration details. There was only one place to register a birth in Oxford so this would not be unusual.
However, there were about 16 ancient parish churches - more by the 1870s as the City expanded - as well as a number of nonconformist chapels, so the chances of them being baptised in the same church are much less. I note that John Richard is in St Ebbe parish in the 1881 census and one of his siblings (Charles) was baptised there on 30 Nov 1873 - but no sign of a baptism for John Richard. William Henry, John Richard's father, is described as a gas fitter of 4 King's Terrace in the 1873 baptism entry.
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Probably Jill, but I think that's a waste of money. There are several HOUNSLOW families in the city of Oxford and the chances of two of them appearing in the same quarter and on the same page in the GRO Index is fairly good. I believe there are 8 entries per page so the reference number is not unique to a specific birth. It's just a coincidence and has been proved by the fact that they constantly appear in separate households and each with a different set of parents in the census returns.
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Hope the OP reads the whole thread to realise that the identical Birth Index entries are coincidence and that the two families containing the kids can be seen on the 1881 census - maybe the 1871 too .....
Births Mar 1871
Hounslow Bessie Gertrude Oxford v3a 668
Hounslow John Richard Oxford 3a p668
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John R in 1871 with parents William H (Gas Fitter) and Harriett (Eliza)
RG10/1439; Folio: 42; Page: 27
Bridge Street
(Bessie) Gertrude cant be seen with parents Henry (a Cabman) & Eliza, as PAGE 37 is missing from the Folios, so schedule 198 is incomplete .... schedules 199 to 202 would have been on this page...
RG10/1437; Folio: 2; Page: 36
Wyatts Yard
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Thanks to everyone who has taken an interest in my post - apologies for the duplicate post, my computer threw a wobbly and I didn't realise the two posts were shown.
I was hoping that someone with access to parish registers might have been able to locate John Richard Hounslow's baptism and confirm his parents names. A few Hounslow family trees have Henry & Eliza Hounslow confused with William Henry & Eliza Harriett Hounslow.
I think the best option is to send for the birth certificates.
Thanks again for your interest - Best Wishes Yvonne Hills
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Doesnt the information provided about the 1871 and 1881 census prove conclusively the parents of each child ?
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Yes, Past Master, as far as I can see it does, and this is why I stated earlier that I thought it was wasting money to obtain the certifcates. Still, who am I to decide how people spend their money.
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I suppose getting John's birth certificate is the only way to know for sure 