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Topic: Death of George Smith, Miner - between 1884 and 1892 (Read 503 times)
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Peter HNZ
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My great, great grandmother, Hannah Johnston married George Smith on 14 April 1884. The marriage was solemnized at St Paul's Chapell of Ease in the parish of Arlecdon. George was 23 at the time of his marriage and is shown as being a Miner living in Cleator Moor. His father is shown as Murray Smith, also a Miner. Hannah Johnston was shown as being 19 and residing in Frizington. Her father is listed as James Johnston, Engineman.
On 1 October 1889, Hannah Smith gave birth to my grandmother, Eva Smith. The birth took place at 145 Main Street, Frizington. Eva is shown to be residing at that address and to be a housekeeper. No father's name is shown on the birth certificate.
On 8 August 1892, Hannah Smith married William Bird in Middlesborough. She is shown as being a widow. Her father is shown as James Johnson, Enginedriver.
It would appear that George died some time between 1884 and 1892. I appreciate the difficulties with George and Smith being such common names. I wondered if he may have died in a mining accident but have not been able to locate anything. Any help in clarifying this situation would be most appreciated.
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Peter HNZ
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Sorry, yes I made a mistake which I have now corrected. Hannah Smith gave birth to my grandmother, Eva Smith and Hannah was a housekeeper at the time. I'm afraid I don't know if any children resulted from the marriage of George and Hannah - that is one issue which I have not pursued as yet.
Dad always knew his mother as Eva Bird and it was only since doing a bit of digging that I turned up the earlier marriage and the fact that Eva's father was not named on her birth certificate. I don't know whether Eva was legally adopted by William Bird or just took his name - if there was a legal adoption paper, that would be interesting.
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Peter HNZ
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Re Hannah missing in 1891 census.
I did find a Hannah Smith at 39 Aglionby Street, Rickergate, Carlisle. (not sure if I have that all right - it is a little hard to read the handwriting).
The head of the house is shown as someone Thorpe (I can't make out his christian name) but it states that he is the Son and his is living on his own means (25 years of age). Perhaps the parents were out on census night. Also at the address were his sister, his two neices and a grand neice. Finally, there was Hannah Smith, a domestic servant, single, aged 26 and born in Cumberland, Maryport.
This seemed to be the most likely match when I was research this a while back.
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AMBLY
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I saw that one too, in Carlsisle - seemed the only fair match so far 
In 1891. William BIRD, William is a widower with his 5 children born up to 1888 in Middlesborough. His wife, per 1881 was Elizabeth, whose death seems to be indexed in Middlesboro 1888 age 37.
In 1901, William BIRD, wife Hannah - and his/their 10 children:
Looking at Census & FreeBMD - all the 5 children in the 1901 house older than Eva (surnamed BIRD), are his by his 1st wife who died 1888. Those 5 1901 children are the same as on the 1891.
Then, all those 4 children born after Eva, are theirs born after his and Hannah's marriage.
Leaving among them, no candidate siblings for Eva who might have been born before her between 1884 and 1889, or after her up to 1892....
hmmm, it does look as Carole says, that George SMITH died (or absconded!) very early on - perhaps even shortly after the marriage without their being any children of the marriage........
Cheers
AMBLY
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AMBLY
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Just wondered, if you had investigated George's parental family - for any SMITH grandchidlren/neices/nephews born between 1884 and 1889 who haven't had a parent identified yet?
Cheers
AMBLY
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Peter HNZ
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Hi Ambly,
Many thanks for your input. I must admit that I assumed George and Eva did not have any children during their marriage, as I felt that if they did, she would have taken them with her into her new marriage, as she did with Eva (especially bearing in mind that her remarriage was only 8 or so years after her first marriage. Then it seems odd that if they were married for any reasonable period, Eva and George would have had children. That could mean an early demise for George or perhaps he did a runner! I wonder if Eva had to prove that she was a widow when she remarried (show a death certificate for instance). If not, stating she was a "widow' could cover a multitude of possibilities (which all make researching your family tree, that much more interesting!).
Sadly, no one now alive in our family can shed any light on Eva's situation. As I mentioned, Dad always knew her as Eva Bird and was totally surprised when I discovered the George Smith link. Eva herself died in 1958 when I was only 5 years old.
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Geoff-E
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I think the Hannah SMITH of Maryport found in Carlisle in 1891 can be found with her parents in 1881, so may safely be ignored.
I think it possible that the SMITH family went to the USA on the Adriatic, arriving there 20 April 1885 as passengers arriving on that date included the following SMITHS - perhaps George also went at some point.
Murray 40 "wife"
Mary 42 "labourer"
Robert 11
Joseph 9
Fred 8
See http://www.castlegarden.org/searcher.php
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Peter HNZ
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Thanks, everyone, for your input and help on this one.
Geoff-E - yes, you are quite right - I have got the wrong Hannah in the 1891 census. I looked on the 1881 census, and Hannah has listed her birthplace as Frizington. I have had a quick look at the 1891 census and there are 4 Hannah's that are probables so will download that information at some stage to clarify. Thanks also, for the reference for the Smith family travelling to the USA. I imagine a lot of miners did that, to make a new start in life. Perhaps George went first to blaze the way and for some reason did not return.
Bob Graham - thanks for the look up on the mining site. This seemed a good possiblity, with George apparently dieing so young and being a miner - I wondered if a mining accident might have been to blame. I did search mining accidents myself on the Internet and came up with a blank, so this seems likely to not be the case.
Thanks for your info Carole - this looks like a strong option, especially if his parents moved over to the USA. George's demise, like Eva's father, could be one of those unsolved mysteries in my tree. Perhaps I should now concentrate on tracing Hannah's family back a generation or two.
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