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Derwentwater
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MERRICK St Mary Magdalene's Rodborough Gloucestershire
« on: Tuesday 21 July 09 04:44 UTC (UK) »

On the IGI I've found record for the marriage of Charles MERRICK & Patience WATKINS on the 31st Dec 1801 at Rodborough Gloucestershire. The IGI also records the baptisms of four of their children including a Priscilla MERRICK born 1808. While I didn't find a record for my ancestor Thomas MERRICK born 1803 at Rodborough the closeness of the years of birth are compelling.

This brings me to the Rodborough church (St Mary Magdalene's) cemetery inscriptions. There appears a grave marked Patience, wife of James MERRICK died 10th of Jan 1835, 62yrs. Also inscribed is Priscilla MERRICK died 10 Nov 1834, 26yrs. This is weird as that date of birth for Priscilla MERRICK would seem to match the daughter of Charles & Patience MERRICK in the IGI!

Can anybody shed light on this? Does anybody out there think that they could be the same family?

The IGI has a baptism for a Patience WATKINS 25 June 1775 at Stroud that makes her suspiciously close to the age of Patience who married Charles MERRICK.

Could Charles & James be the same person or am I getting ahead of myself here? Any thoughts on this would be appreciated. Huh


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ChasH
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Re: MERRICK St Mary Magdalene's Rodborough Gloucestershire
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 21 July 09 13:02 UTC (UK) »

See my {comments} in the quote below.

Quote from: Derwentwater on Tuesday 21 July 09 04:44 UTC (UK)

On the IGI I've found record for the marriage of Charles MERRICK & Patience WATKINS on the 31st Dec 1801 at Rodborough Gloucestershire.

{The marriage, which you did not qualify, was extracted which is a good thing but the notes of the film used by the LDS extracters just says, "Marriages, Rodborough . . etc" so one does not exactly know if the extractioin was from PR's or BT's. Most LDS extractions are from BT's so that extracters only need one film in order to find bap's and mar's}

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While I didn't find a record for my ancestor Thomas MERRICK born 1803 at Rodborough the closeness of the years of birth are compelling.

{"Closeness"? To whom? Or am I up a gum tree?}

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The IGI has a baptism for a Patience WATKINS 25 June 1775 at Stroud that makes her suspiciously close to the age of Patience who married Charles MERRICK.

{The parish marriage register and the BT's may give details of the abode of the bride and groom so a film search seems called for.}

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Regards

Chas


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Derwentwater
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Re: MERRICK St Mary Magdalene's Rodborough Gloucestershire
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 22 July 09 02:54 UTC (UK) »

Thanks ChasH for the pointers. Could you explain the abbreviation PR's?

When I say that the dates of baptisms are 'close' I'm refering to the baptisms being in a cluster
from 1803-1810. If Charles, John, Pricilla & Richard are Thomas MERRICK's (born 1803) siblings. They
are all born contiguously as you would expect. There doesn't appear to be any other MERRICK
Baptisms for Rodborough for that period apart from the children of Charles & Patience MERRICK.

Are there any other methods for drawing more reliable conclusions? Embarrassed


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ChasH
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Re: MERRICK St Mary Magdalene's Rodborough Gloucestershire
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 22 July 09 07:32 UTC (UK) »

??

PR's are parish church bmd records/registers. The actual format of PR's before the days of pre-printed register books seems to have depended on the whims of the vicar. I have seen some in which baptisms, marriages and burials are completely mixed up and each line gives the event. In others the vicar has separated the book into different sections. In one (or was it two?) church's burial records the vicar included some interesting facts such as the opening of a toll road, the opening of a nearby church and the name of its first vicar, some flooding near Stonehouse and the selling of an estate. In one of Avening's(?) early record books are several details of a family member selling a church pew to a member of another family! Imagine having to stand in a freezing cold aisle during a lengthy sermon instead of having a crafty 40 winks in a pew:D

Regarding the drawing of more reliable conclusions, that's tricky: but sometimes a family will use an unusual second christian name for one or more children and the name is passed down the generations. Such second christian names may become, over the years, the first of a double-barrelled surname. Children given the name of their parents/grandparents can help one decide but that's not very reliable.

I see that Patience's parents William and Hannah were married in Stroud in 1761 and I can confirm from my Stroud notes (I'd forgotten I'd once thought I'd Watkins in my tree - but not so) that the vicar wrote that both were of Stroud, so perhaps if you can find Patience's siblings it might help you to decide, but a marriage record giving abodes would clinch it.

Regards and hope you did not find this boring.

Chas

P.S. Some burial records of around 1760 record that an affidavit was received by the church wardens. This affidavit certified that the burial was "in wool" - to give the industry some work to keep it alive Cheesy

Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose - forgive missing accents please

Chas


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alf
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Re: MERRICK St Mary Magdalene's Rodborough Gloucestershire
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 23 July 09 07:53 UTC (UK) »

Hi

Is this any good to you buried in Rodborough churchyard

Patience, w/o James MERRICK,
10 Jan 1835, 62
Priscilla, d, 10 Nov 1834, 26
Alfred s/o John & Martha MERRICK,
24 June ****, aged 18 & 2 months
Amy, d, 28 Jan 1856, 12
Matilda Florence MERRICK, 16 March 1865, 23


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Derwentwater
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Re: MERRICK St Mary Magdalene's Rodborough Gloucestershire
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 28 July 09 05:09 UTC (UK) »

So PR's are parish records/registers. I can see that a lack of uniformity in them can cause problems. Although the individuality of the records certainly makes the history more colourful. Grin

One of Charles & Patience's children was named Charles. Could that explain why Patience buried at Rodborough is said to be wife of James MERRICK? I have an example of this in another branch of my family. Ruth Jane WATKINS became 'Jane WATKINS' because their daughter was named Ruth aswell.

Thanks also to Alf for the input. The memorial inscription you supplied is the record that I've previously made mention of.


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Re: MERRICK St Mary Magdalene's Rodborough Gloucestershire
« Reply #6 on: Friday 28 August 09 16:27 UTC (UK) »

I am new to this forum but am a direct descendant of the Rodborough Merricks and still live in the vicinity.
There is an error in this message chain in that the plaque referred to at Rodborough Church has been transcribed incorrectly. I can assure you (and I am looking at a photograph of the plaque at this moment) that it reads:-

"Patience wife of Charles Merrick who died Jan 10th 1835 aged 62 years......."

So to answer your immediate question "are James and Charles the same person?" then the answer is most certainly yes because James does not exist.

As to whether Thomas Merrick born 1803 is related, I cannot say for sure but I am fairly certain that the Charles referred to above originated in Newnham On Severn.

I have more information on Merricks if you are interested.


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Derwentwater
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Re: MERRICK St Mary Magdalene's Rodborough Gloucestershire
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 02 September 09 03:58 UTC (UK) »

Thanks Orange.appeel that settles that mystery. I'm very keen to hear more about the Rodborough Merricks to see if there's a possible connection. Please check your personal messages.

Derwentwater


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Keziahemm
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Re: MERRICK St Mary Magdalene's Rodborough Gloucestershire
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 02 September 09 18:32 UTC (UK) »

Until orange.appeel has three posts he won't be able to send or receive personal messages.

Keziah


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