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sally harris
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This picture was in the effect of my husbands grandfather George Ernest Fisher who had links to the Morton and Sellwood families.
Can any one help to identify people in the picture.
Sally Harris
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matt94
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Hi Sally,
I cannot tell you these people's name...
But I am a distant relative of the Sellwood family from Bucklebury. This is an extract from my tree.
John Sellwood, b. 1809
+ Sarah Fisher, m. 12 Jun 1833 at BKS: Bucklebury, d. 22 Mar 1885 at BKS: Bucklebury
├── Edwin Sellwood, bap. 29 Sep 1833 at BKS: Thatcham
├── George Sellwood, bap. 18 Jan 1836 at BKS: Thatcham
├── Maria Sellwood,
└── Charlotte Sellwood
and John's sister Caroline....
Caroline Sellwood, b. 23 Mar 1816 at BKS: Bucklebury, d. 23 Jul 1899 at BKS: Bucklebury
+ Charles Kimber, m. 2 Aug 1841 at BKS: Thatcham
and their first cousin Hannah married there & had a child baptised there in the early 1800's
I know that Sarah is buried at Bucklebury under a large tree with an headstone.
How does the Fisher family have links to the Sellwood family?
Matt
Added - right after i posted that I realised that that John Sellwood married Sarah FISHER which is probably the link
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Cutler Family, Bucks
Bennell Family, Bucks
Sellwood Family, Berks
Smith Family, Berks
Hardie Family, Lancs/Scotland
Fish Family, Yorks/Lincs
Banks Family, Worcs/Warwicks
Clements Family, Wilts/London
Briant Family, Berkshire
Knott Family, Berkshire
Darkins Family, Kent
Gadd Family, Lancs
Coffin Family, Lancs/Flint/Cheshire
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sally harris
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Sellwood -Fisher Links.
James Selwood m Dinah Pennington Tidbury.
daughter hannah b 1805 M Edward Fisher born c1805/08-Have yet to find a record to show Edwards parents.
my husbands line is from Edward and Hannahs son George b1845 m Selina Morton. George and Selina lived at the Slade Bucklebury in Ivy Cottage.
The Selwoods are also linked to Selina in that she had an Aunt Mercy Morton who married a John Selwood. I did work out on family search that hannah and John both linked back to Stephen Selwood
who married Elizabeth Chapman in 1725.
George Ernest Fisher -son of George and Selina was my husbands grand father and the picture came from a collection of his.
I think at least one of the ladies is a Selwood wife. In a letter Selina wrote to her sons Georges wife not dated but after 1903 about Mrs Selwood coming round in the pony cart to take her out.
Do you think there might be a connection between Edward Fisher and Sarah.
Sally Harris
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matt94
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Hi Sally,
I am pretty sure that Edward Fisher who married Hannah Sellwood was a relation of Sarah Fisher who married John, Hannah's brother.
James (who married Dianna Pennington Tidbury) had a brother John but he must have died in childhood.
Stephen Sellwood who married Elizabeth Chapman had three children - James, Stephen & William. William is my g x6 grandfather. I am off to the Berkshire Record Office next week & will confirm a marriage at Thatcham between Stephen & Elizabeth & the baptisms of their children at Thatcham or Chieveley.
I think the photo must be Edwardian era due to the hats & skirts (between about 1901-1912 I'd say but I'm no expert). As you say one of the ladies might be a Mrs Sellwood - could it be the wife of George Sellwood (b 1836) or the wife of Edwin (1833) or the wife of one of their children?
Matt
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Cutler Family, Bucks
Bennell Family, Bucks
Sellwood Family, Berks
Smith Family, Berks
Hardie Family, Lancs/Scotland
Fish Family, Yorks/Lincs
Banks Family, Worcs/Warwicks
Clements Family, Wilts/London
Briant Family, Berkshire
Knott Family, Berkshire
Darkins Family, Kent
Gadd Family, Lancs
Coffin Family, Lancs/Flint/Cheshire
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sally harris
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apparently a son of your William m Jane harding had a son Johnathon m Frances Tidbury . Their son John married Mercy Morton.
Sally Harris
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matt94
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I did some more digging & it turns out that Hannah & John had a brother, Joseph, born in 1815, who married on 13 Apr 1838 at Bucklebury to Martha FISHER. They had many children & one was called Mercy.
When at the Berkshire Record Office I will get a copy of this marriage certificate & scan it in for you.
Matt
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Cutler Family, Bucks
Bennell Family, Bucks
Sellwood Family, Berks
Smith Family, Berks
Hardie Family, Lancs/Scotland
Fish Family, Yorks/Lincs
Banks Family, Worcs/Warwicks
Clements Family, Wilts/London
Briant Family, Berkshire
Knott Family, Berkshire
Darkins Family, Kent
Gadd Family, Lancs
Coffin Family, Lancs/Flint/Cheshire
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matt94
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Some more digging, found out that Joseph & Hannah & John had a brother DAVID born in 1821, who married CHARLOTTE FISHER in 1845 at Bucklebury (maybe). I will find this one too & send on a copy.
Matt
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Cutler Family, Bucks
Bennell Family, Bucks
Sellwood Family, Berks
Smith Family, Berks
Hardie Family, Lancs/Scotland
Fish Family, Yorks/Lincs
Banks Family, Worcs/Warwicks
Clements Family, Wilts/London
Briant Family, Berkshire
Knott Family, Berkshire
Darkins Family, Kent
Gadd Family, Lancs
Coffin Family, Lancs/Flint/Cheshire
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sally harris
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Thanks for the replies. I should be grateful for any details Matt can pick up at the record office . If you should see a record for Hannah Selwood and Edward Fisher could you Please check if it has got a note of parentage.
To Lesanne- I shall have to lok into the Copas -Fisher side of things . I just assumed that Copas was the cart maker they had bought the trap from-or perhaps just rented out!
Sally Harris
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matt94
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Sally - what I will do is get a copy of the parish register where unions between the Sellwood family and the Fisher family exist & send on copies to you via email or Rootschat; whichever you prefer.
Have you seen this record, Sally, from the IGI?
Edward FisherEvent(s):
Birth: 12 FEB 1808 Buckleburry, , Berkshire, England
Death: 04 JAN 1850 , , England
Marriages:
Spouse: Hannah Sellwood
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I think with the Sellwood family, I have been quite lucky. They seem to be well documented by the Mormons.
Matt
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Cutler Family, Bucks
Bennell Family, Bucks
Sellwood Family, Berks
Smith Family, Berks
Hardie Family, Lancs/Scotland
Fish Family, Yorks/Lincs
Banks Family, Worcs/Warwicks
Clements Family, Wilts/London
Briant Family, Berkshire
Knott Family, Berkshire
Darkins Family, Kent
Gadd Family, Lancs
Coffin Family, Lancs/Flint/Cheshire
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Vicwinann
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Hello Sally and Matt and Lesanne,
Sally, I can't help with the photo but I will look thru some of the very few that I have and see if I can spot anything.
I have not found a baptism for Edward Fisher 1808 because I don't have direct access to Bucklebury PRs. However, I tend to half agree with Matt that Edward is brother of Sarah Fisher 1814 dau of John Fisher and Ann nee Woodley who married John Sellwood. ie 4 siblings marrying 4 siblings.
According to the Berks FHS burial Index Edward Fisher was buried in Jan 1851, not 1850 as per the IGI death.
James Sellwood (who married Diana Tidbury) did have a brother John and he died in 1782.
There was no marriage in Thatcham of Stephen Sellwood and Elizabeth Chapman. They married in Little Bedwyn, Wilts according to the pedigree held by and information at Christs Hospital. I think you may have seen it, Sally. Perhaps before we were first in touch way back in 2003.
The Stephen who marr Elizabeth Chapman was the grandfather of James who married Diana.
Yes, Sally, Jonathan Sellwood, son of William and Jane nee Harding did have a son, John, who married Mercy Morton.
Matt, if you had asked I could have sent you a copy of Joseph 1815's marriage cert of 1838. Dau Mercy married John Lake.
You are actually going over a lot of the ground that I have already covered and proven and wasting a lot of your money. However, being cheeky, I don't have a copy of David Sellwood's first marriage to Charlotte Fisher, Sarah Fisher's sister, so I would be grateful for a copy if you get one. David Sellwood was christened 1819, not 1821. He married twice.
Yes, Matt, some of the Sellwoods were Mormons but a great many of the IGI submitted Sellwood records are very, very, wrong. I have other documents that prove this to be so, so don't trust any other than collected ones or those at the RO.
Lesanne, at least one of the Sellwoods worked for the Copas because he won a ploughing competition and my particular scion had children in Cookham.
Thank you for that. I, too will go back thru my research and try to follow it up again re the Fishers. The Fishers intermarried at other times during the 19th century with Sellwoods, Mortons, and several other Bucklebury families who eventually moved elsewhere.
Yours
Vicwinann
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Sellwood Berkshire Oxon Lancs Wilts; Cassell Berkshire and Guildford; Leighs Guildford and London; Saunders Portsea, Greenwich and Deptford ; Austin Cookham; Osgood Berkshire; Dack Norfolk; Darling Berkshire and Mapledurham; Wilkins Englefield Berks; Havenhand Derbys; Whileman Derbys; Reedman Derbys, Notts, Australia, Africa; Rottenberry Deptford and Devon;
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matt94
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Vicki - I think marriage certificates from the Record Office at 40p each are worth it even if all we gain from them is the certificates... 40p is no skin off my nose...
Also I don't know when all these children of James & Dianna were baptised so am having a look at that today at the BRO just to make sure, so they are definately those children of James & Dianna.
I think David married for the second time at Chieveley(?) Where he was living in 1871. If he did I will get a copy (even if it's just for the signatures  ) and send it on...
Vicki - did he marry Jane Marcham in 1868 at Newbury Dist? If so... son & Dau Sarah & Caleb were already born before they married...
I'll put the baptism of Edward Fisher on my list...
Matt
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I am researching....
Cutler Family, Bucks
Bennell Family, Bucks
Sellwood Family, Berks
Smith Family, Berks
Hardie Family, Lancs/Scotland
Fish Family, Yorks/Lincs
Banks Family, Worcs/Warwicks
Clements Family, Wilts/London
Briant Family, Berkshire
Knott Family, Berkshire
Darkins Family, Kent
Gadd Family, Lancs
Coffin Family, Lancs/Flint/Cheshire
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matt94
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Actually.... looking at the 1871.. there are a few discrepancies...
New Inn, Chieveley, Berkshire
David Selwood, Head, Married, 51, Publican, Born Berkshire, Chieveley
Jane Selwood, Wife, Married, 37, Publican's Wife, Born Berkshire, Thatcham
Caleb Selwood, Son, Single, 9, Scholar, Born Berkshire, Thatcham
Sarah Selwood, Dau, Single, 8, Scholar, Born Oxon, Goring
Hmm....
Matt
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On the 1881... Caleb is a boarder... Living Greenham St, Greenham
RIVERS, Henry Head Married M 62 1819 Moulder (Iron) Hamstead Norris Berkshire
RIVERS, Harriett Wife Married F 68 1813 Wife Woodspeen Berkshire
RIVERS, George Granson Single M 4 1877 Scholar Greenham Berkshire
SELLWOOD, Caleb Boarder Single M 19 1862 Carpenter Bucklebury Berkshire
Matt
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Cutler Family, Bucks
Bennell Family, Bucks
Sellwood Family, Berks
Smith Family, Berks
Hardie Family, Lancs/Scotland
Fish Family, Yorks/Lincs
Banks Family, Worcs/Warwicks
Clements Family, Wilts/London
Briant Family, Berkshire
Knott Family, Berkshire
Darkins Family, Kent
Gadd Family, Lancs
Coffin Family, Lancs/Flint/Cheshire
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matt94
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Caleb in 1891...
Living 1, Paradise cottage, Paradise Place, Richmond
BOND, Joseph Head Married M 52 1839 Railway Servant Richmond Surrey
BOND, Annie Wife Married F 36 1855 Brewood Staffordshire
BOND, Joseph H Son M 7 1884 Richmond Surrey
BOND, Gertrude E Daughter F 1 1890 Richmond Surrey
SELWOOD, Caleb Boarder Single M 29 1862 Carpenter Bucklebury Berkshire
In 1901 I can't find him, but in 1911...
3, Berkeley Cotts, Speenhamland
DAVIS, ELIZABETH HEAD WIDOW F 79 STOCKCROSS BERKS
SELLWOOD, CALEB BOARDER SINGLE M 47 CARPENTER HANDY MAN BUCKLEBURY BERKS
Caleb died in 1914.
Deaths Sep 1914
Sellwood Caleb 52 Newbury 2c 279
And was buried on 23 July 1914 at Newbury Newtown Road Cemetery, aged 52, having died at the Newbury Workhouse Infirmary.
Matt
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Cutler Family, Bucks
Bennell Family, Bucks
Sellwood Family, Berks
Smith Family, Berks
Hardie Family, Lancs/Scotland
Fish Family, Yorks/Lincs
Banks Family, Worcs/Warwicks
Clements Family, Wilts/London
Briant Family, Berkshire
Knott Family, Berkshire
Darkins Family, Kent
Gadd Family, Lancs
Coffin Family, Lancs/Flint/Cheshire
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Vicwinann
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Yes, Matt,
David Sellwood marr Jane Marcham in 1868 Newbury Reg Dist. She was the widow of James Marcham and already had a dau Sarah Marcham born and bap 1862 Goring. Sarah adopted David Sellwood's surname on the 1871 census. Jane Marcham's maiden name was Franklin.
Another dau of Jane Franklin and James Marcham was Eliza Mary 1861 who was living with her grandfather in 1871. James Marcham died in 1865.
When David Sellwood died in 1878, Jane Franklin/Marcham/Sellwood married for a third time to John Portlock and is with him in 1881.
David Sellwood with his first wife, Charlotte Fisher had 3 children that I have found before Charlotte died in 1866. Charles 1846 who marr Ellen Whale, Hannah 1856-1869. and Caleb 1862-1914. Yes, Caleb is unmarried in 1881 living as a boarder in Greenham with who I think is a relative but haven't yet proved. So there is no descepancy.
Just lots of happenings between censuses.
Now, if you can find Jane Franklin's grandmother's birthplace/date, that would be really something. She was Hannah Sellwood who marr to Anthony Franklin 1751- 1825 in Frilsham in 1779 and had children in Thatcham. I feel sure that Hannah is sister or close relative to Thomas Sellwood abt 1726-1809 Bucklebury marr to Mary Goddard in 1751 Bucklebury. Thomas's is a line that I cannot find a direct connection to our Sellwoods of Bucklebury and Chieveley. I am sure that it is there somewhere.
Yours
Vicwinann
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Sellwood Berkshire Oxon Lancs Wilts; Cassell Berkshire and Guildford; Leighs Guildford and London; Saunders Portsea, Greenwich and Deptford ; Austin Cookham; Osgood Berkshire; Dack Norfolk; Darling Berkshire and Mapledurham; Wilkins Englefield Berks; Havenhand Derbys; Whileman Derbys; Reedman Derbys, Notts, Australia, Africa; Rottenberry Deptford and Devon;
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