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Tisy
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Hi all,
I have just recently discovered that my paternal g-grandfather, William Henry Marshall, born 14 Apr 1857, was the illigimate son of Mary Marshall b. about 1835; he took his mother's surname, and as far as I am aware, never named the father (his birth certificate does not list a father). Henry William was born at the Union Workhouse, Gawber St., Barnsley; in the 1871 census, he was living with his grandparents, Thomas and Bessy Marshall, at Burley Street, Barnsley. His mother Mary was living with her brother George Marshall at this stage.
William Henry married Charlotte Bray on 14 April 1887, and they had five children; Albert (1879), Walter (1887) William Henry (1890) Joseph Arthur (1899) and George.
Mary Marshall, William Henry's mother, was working as a domestic servant for Joseph and Elizabeth McLintock (Linen manufacturers) in 1851 (Pitt Street, Barnsley); my aunt says that Joseph McLintock died in 1852, but I have not been able to find a death for him in BMD. We have no idea what happened to Mary and William Henry between his birth in 1857 and when they turned up in the 1871 census.
Does anyone have this family in their tree? Any help and advice as to how I could find out who William Henry's father was would be much appreciated.
Cheers,
Tisy
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dave the tyke
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Hi Tisy
Have a look at this Criggleston census return
RG9; Piece: 3418; Folio: 13; Page: 20
Could Mary and William be yours ? 
Dave
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Tisy
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Hi Dave,
Thanks for the lead - had a look at the record; the dates are spot on and Crigglestone is not too far from Barnsley. It is entirely possible Mary married some time after William Henry's birth; my aunt however says that she was living with William and Elizabeth Beldon and her brother George Marshall (who was married to the Beldon's daughter, Ann) in 1871 (at 2 Court, 2 New Street, Barnsley). I have not been able to find them in the 1871 census as yet, but will try again tonight.
I have tried to find a marriage between Mary Marshall and ?? Patterson some time after 1857 on Free BMD - no luck, so back to the drawing board.
Many thanks for your interest.
Carol
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Glenpenny
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The McLintocks are in my tree but I've not been able to find a death for Joseph either. His wife, Elizabeth died on 23 January 1852 but I can't find this on freebmd either.
I decided to try the indexes on Ancestry but the website is down for some reason. Bother!
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Clifton - Kirkham, Garstang Benson - Greenhalgh Hankinson - Freckleton Roobottom - Barnsley Drelincourt - Ireland McLintock - Barnsley Catlow - Colne, Newchurch-in-Pendle Bowker - Newchurch-in-Pendle Bambridge - Stebbing, Essex Lagden - Thaxted, Stebbing Perry - Stebbing Wileber - Farcet, Huntingdon Census Information is Crown copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Tisy
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Hi Glenpenny,
I have giiven up on the indexes on Ancestry; apparently they have used Indian transcribers for this work with the result that many names have been mistranscribed. I have now resorted to trawling through all the actual census records on Ancestry and have found this to be more useful although very time-consuming. I think Free BMD is a "work in progress" so some records may not have been transcribed.
I did find a death for a Joseph McLintock in Manchester in about 1856 (not sure of the date and will have another look). I can't help wondering whether he is the culprit! According to the 1851 census Joseph was 47 and Elizabeth 57 years of age. I seems likely that she would have died before him, and one can't help wondering whether she was ill at the time Mary Marshall was working there in 1851. The family legend goes something like this -
"Mary was working for a wealthy family and fell pregnant to the master of the house; she was sent away to the workhouse to have the baby (this part is fact). years later, the wealthy father of her son (whose wife had since died), instructed his solicitors to look for the his love-child so that he could see that he was taken care of financially. They never managed to find him before Joseph died, and so his money was left in trust for the building of a new hospital."
Any further info you may have on Joseph McLintock would be much appreciated. According to the 1851 census he was a linen manufacturer; it is possible therefore (I think!) that he may have been a wealthy man.
Cheers,
Carol
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Tisy
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Hi again Glenpenny,
Here is the Free BMD index listing for the death of a Joseph McLintock in Manchester in 1860 - no way of telling if this is the right one, except to get a certificate I guess.
Surname Given Name Age District Volume Page
McLintock Joseph Manchester 8d 224
Cheers,
Carol
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Holmemoss
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If it is of interest, I have a Thomas William Marshall, born in Crigglestone 1869/70, who married Julia Mary Scargill in 1890.
I also have an Elizabeth Marshall, born in Barnsley 1794//5, who married William Scargill at All Saints Church, Silkstone on 4 Nov 1819.
Separately, I have an Elizabeth McLintock who married David Hoyle at All Saints Church, Silkstone on 21 May 1809. I have no other information on Elizabeth except that she died between 1829 and 1831.
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dave the tyke
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Hi again Tisy
Can I ask where your aunt got her information ?
On a different line of thought
the wealthy father of her son (whose wife had since died), instructed his solicitors to look for the his love-child so that he could see that he was taken care of financially
If Joseph gave instructions to his solicitors and later, at the time of his death, left money in a trust then presumably a will was made. Have you tried that avenue of research ? Not easy if you don't know the dates. Perhaps local hospitals have a record ? Do you know of any built in the time frame ?
Dave
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Tisy
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Hi Dave,
As far as I am aware, my aunt did her research in Barnsley by going to the library and looking up the census records. What she has given me is in the form of a "story" and unfortunately does not include the references, so I am having to look up all the census records again; this is going well and I have been able to substantiate some of what she has said.
The story about Mary and the wealthy gentleman is purely something which has been passed down in the family; thanks for the tip - I will try to find a Will for Joseph McLintock in the hope that this may give us a clue. Of course we have no way of knowing at this stage whether he was the father, as she may have worked somewhere else after 1851. I understand that there was a new hospital built on the site of the Union Workhouse at Barnsley, but am not sure of the dates. Perhaps someone knows more about this? Also, any ideas about the best way to find a Will?
All a bit difficult as I live in Australia!
Cheers,
Tisy
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Glenpenny
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Hello Tisy,
Joseph is not in my direct line - he was actually my 3x.g.g.uncle, so I haven't really concentrated on him up to now. However, what I do know is that he was a bankrupt linen manufacturer in 1840. He must have picked himself up after this as he was obviously wealthy enough to employ a servant in 1851 - your Mary Marshall. I found a report in Burlands in May 1852 that there was a strike over pay at the factory of Joseph McLintock and Co by the hand and steam loom weavers at the Old Mill Factory.
His brother, James, was also a linen manufacturer but probably on a larger scale than Joseph as in 1851 he was employing 47 people.
Both brothers must have done extremely well for themselves as they had humble beginnings - their father was an ordinary handloom weaver who had 13 children.
If you would like more information on the McLintocks in general, and I have plenty. send me a pm.
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Tisy
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Hi Dobfarm,
Entirely possible this William is related; however, the only William I have was born about 1841 in Barnsley, son of Thomas Marshall and Sarah Smith, apart from my g-grandfather, William Henry who was born in 1857, and my grandfather, William Henry b. 1890, son of William Henry and Florence Eva Cooper.
I wonder whether he could have been a brother to Thomas b. November 1807?
Thanks for your interest.
Tisy
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dave the tyke
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Hi Tisy,
I just Googled ' Mclintock Barnsley ' and there was tons of stuff there about Mcklintock and Son mill owners including a lead to this site
http://members.lycos.co.uk/McLintock/deaths.htm
You might find something that could be of use
Dave
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Tisy
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Hi Dave,
Thanks - had a look at the deaths but could not spot a Joseph which matched ours; will send for the Manchester 1856 certificate and see what that brings forth. Still trying to find a Will; went onto Origins and found two references which look interesting in the indexes - one for Prerogative & Exchequer Courts of York Probate Index 1731 - 1858 and one for York Peculiars Probate Index (1383 - 1883). Guess I will have to subscribe to Origins to get to them.
Will do that search you suggested.
Many thanks,
Tisy
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Glenpenny
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Tisy
I was in touch with Raymond McLintock through his webpage some years ago. You might find this link a little easier.
http://members.lycos.co.uk/McLintock/page2.htm
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