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leofred
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Marriage - James ALLUM & Ann GRIFFIN
« on: Friday 24 July 09 10:29 UTC (UK) »

Hi All

I have a problem I have 2 James Allum father and son  who are both married to Ann.

1 James Allum b 1806 Standon married to Ann Griffin 2March 1833 Standon

2 James Allum b 1772 Standon married to Ann Griffin 20Feb 1800  Standon

This info is via the IGI Site is not on Freereg or Ancestry.

I have checked the HALLS online index and they agree with the info on James 1.

They do not have James 2.
I cant believe they are both married to Ann Griffin and it just goes to support the IGI cant be taken as evidence.

I would be grateful for any ideas or informationwhich can resolve this.

Many thanks
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janan
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Re: JAMES ALLUM MARRIAGE TO ANN GRIFFIN
« Reply #1 on: Friday 24 July 09 11:03 UTC (UK) »

Hi

The marriages are both on the Allen Index on the HALS site as you quote them except James 1 marries Ann Griffen - wonder why only one showed for you Huh

Jan Wink
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bedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell
buckinghamshire- pain
cambridgeshire- bird, carver
hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey
derbyshire- allsop, noon
devon - griffin, love, rapsey
dorset- rendall, gale
somerset- rendall, churchill
surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge
leofred
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Re: JAMES ALLUM MARRIAGE TO ANN GRIFFIN
« Reply #2 on: Friday 24 July 09 11:38 UTC (UK) »

Hi Jan

Thanks for your reply I cant understand how I overlooked it.

So they both married Ann Griffin this is very unusual and is going to make tracing the line further back fraught with problems.

Thanks once again.

kind regards
Janice
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janan
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Re: JAMES ALLUM MARRIAGE TO ANN GRIFFIN
« Reply #3 on: Friday 24 July 09 11:49 UTC (UK) »

Hi Janice

I think ancestors did it to confuse future generations  Cheesy I found one 4x g grandfather having children with a Sally over an impossibly long period - he married two Sallys and was still fathering children in his 80's overlapping with is son, producing Aunts and Uncles younger than their nieces and nephews!

Never come across a father and son marrying someone of exactly the same name though - could take some untangling.

Jan Wink
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ALL CENSUS DATA INCLUDED IN POSTINGS IS CROWN COPYRIGHT, FROM  www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

bedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell
buckinghamshire- pain
cambridgeshire- bird, carver
hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey
derbyshire- allsop, noon
devon - griffin, love, rapsey
dorset- rendall, gale
somerset- rendall, churchill
surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge
leofred
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Re: JAMES ALLUM MARRIAGE TO ANN GRIFFIN
« Reply #4 on: Friday 24 July 09 12:41 UTC (UK) »

Hi Jan

thanks for your reply, fancy your ggggrandfather still fathering at 80.
I only hope with my lot that it wasnt inbreeding even though its in the distant past .We of the present generation are of normal appearance and intelligence so hopefully its been bred out.

Been trying to find births of both Anns without success 1 born 1811  2 born  1780 and just hope there isnt an Allum in there as they were all born Standon.

Wouldnt it been nice if they called their children by different names but then our job would be so much easier.

Thanks once again Jan.

kind regards

Janice
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petercornish
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Re: Marriage - James ALLUM & Ann GRIFFIN
« Reply #5 on: Monday 27 July 09 16:28 UTC (UK) »

Hi Janice,

Found both marriage entries in the Standon PRs.

20Feb1800.  James ALLUM and Ann GRIFFIN. Witnesses Sarah ALLUM and Sam PICKETT (Church Official).

02Mar1833 James ALLUM and Anna GRIFFIN.  Witnesses Joseph BROWN, Martha HARRISON and Samuel PICKETT (C.O.)
The bride clearly signed as Ann whilst James made his mark (X).

Regards   ...   Peter
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leofred
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Re: Marriage - James ALLUM & Ann GRIFFIN
« Reply #6 on: Monday 27 July 09 19:03 UTC (UK) »

Hi Peter

You must be telepathic I was only thinking of those this morning whilst shopping in Tescos.
I was thinking this cant be right both of them marrying a Anne Griffin but clearly they did. I can now put them in the family tree with confidence.
You are a STAR thank you very much.
Can I impose further excuse the presumption but if you have access to the Standon parish records could you look up the baptisms records for both Annes please.
1 Anne b 1811
2 "        b 1780

Dont worry if you cant Im just very grateful for what you have done for me.

Many thanks
Janice
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Re: Marriage - James ALLUM & Ann GRIFFIN
« Reply #7 on: Monday 03 August 09 13:24 UTC (UK) »

Hi Janice,

I searched the Standon PRs but had no luck 1775 -1785.  I did however find James ALLUM s/o James and Sarah 18Jun1775.  The nearest I could get for the second Ann was Ann GIFFEN d/o James and Sophia 01May1814 and Susannah GIFFEN also d/o James and Sophia 05May1811. 

Regards   ...   Peter
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