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Topic: Marriage Register - 2 spouse surnames listed (Read 1490 times)
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carvell
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Can anybody help with this? I am looking up a name in the marriage register, and where the surname of the spouse should be there are two names listed. See the attachment to see what I mean.
Does anybody know what this means? Bates was the name that was handed down through the family, I've never heard of Nixon.
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carvell
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I haven't got any more details unfortunately. All I know is that his name was William Bates, unfortunately there's just too many William Bates around to try and pin it down. He's /probably/ from Devon/Plymouth area.
He married Elizabeth Quick in 1913, that's where that record is from. They had three daughters, Betty, Eileen and Jessie. At a bit of a dead end now!
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danuslave
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If you just look up Oct-Nov-Dec 1913 Plymouth Vol 5b Page 609 you get 2 references for Elizabeth Quick and 1 each for William Bates and William Nixon, so it looks as though he was known by both names.
Perhaps he was born with one but his mother remarried and he sometimes used her husband's name?
I think your best bet is definitely the marriage certificate!
Do you already have these
Jessie A Bates mother's name Quick registered Q4 1914
Eileen J Bates " " " registered Q3 1920
Betty D Bates " " " registered Q2 1924
all in Plymouth
Linda
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carvell
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Yep got them thanks!
It does sound intriguing - looks like marriage certificate may be the way to go - thanks for your help.
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carvell
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I now have the marriage certificate, where it's even more bizarre. There's no father listed!
Moderator comment: only small portions of certificates may be posted to assist with clarification/deciphering of handwriting.
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« Last Edit: Tuesday 08 September 09 21:46 UTC (UK) by Copyright-Editor »
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Carvell
It does sound, like has already been mentioned, that William was probably illegitimate. The use of the two names, like Linda has also commented, could be due to his mother marrying and William taking on step father's surname or also, that he went by the surname of his reputed father.
Without knowing his mother's maiden name, it is hard to look for a birth at this stage - too many Nixons and Bates 
What was his age and occupation on his marriage cert? The marriage is only a couple of years after the 1911 census. You could try searching the 1911 census under both surnames, and with age/occupation to see if anything shows.
Monica 
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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SooCatt
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I have had this occur in my family but the groom was not illigitimate.
Charles was born a Marshall (in Wedlock) but his mother left his father - taking him with her- when he was just an infant. She then lived with a man called Pattinson and they were together until they died but never married. Charles took the name Pattinson but obviously knew his birth name was Marshall and his marriage appears in the CRO index as Marshall or Pattinson.
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Crampton, Cook, Bell, Pinkney, Curry, Duffey, Marshall, Smurthwaite, Urwin - Durham/North Yorks Harrison - Northumberland Rowland, Nicholson, Sneaton - Whitby Athey, Ball, Lamb, Handley, Rymer, Duffey, Pool, Stringer, Wilkinson, Varley - West Yorks Fisher - Essex Cencus information is Crown Copyright, from " http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk" |
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pharmakon
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If his age was given on the marriage certificate, use it to search for census records and his birth records. If would be good if you find a birth place from census records.
If there are still too many names (both names!) in the index to be sure which is the right one, ask GRO for a search specifying that no father's name should be shown on the birth certificate.
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carvell
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I've reattached a smaller portion of the certificate to this post. Unfortunately both names seem pretty common - I've spent a little while searching through census and birth records, but there just seems to be too many results that fit. The fact that he was in devonport barracks means that unfortunately we've no idea where in the UK he was born!
The marriage was on the 20th December, 1913, putting his birth around 1886. As mentioned, the father's name and occupation just have a line through the box.
Perhaps a GRO search is the way to go. i assume that the general public can't search birth certificates at Kew?
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carol8353
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Who were the witnesses to this marriage?
Sometime they can turn out to be useful siblings or other family members.
Carol
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukRogers, Rapkin, Phillips - Hammersmith/Fulham/Paddington areas Worth Bailey, Heapy, Burgess. All Macclesfield Cheshire Mockridge,West Monkton Somerset Jenner,Clapham Surrey Kendrick,Liverpool Wensley,Somerset Coleman and Mc Namara from Ennis, Co Clare, Ireland Blake and Maloney from Kilbaha Co Clare, Ireland |
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DudleyWinchurch
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Couldn't spot him on Ancestry but with his regiment known, it should be possible to find out something of his military history. The alternate names might be mentioned there too.
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McDonough, Oliver, McLoughlin, Cuthbert, Quirk, O'Malley (Ireland)
Dudley, Winchurch, Wolverson, Brookes (Black Country)
Concannon, Moore, Markowski (Markesky), Mottram, Lawton (Black Country)
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carol8353
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There's a medal card for a William Nixon with the 4th Middx regiment, number 681570 but no service or pension record 
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukRogers, Rapkin, Phillips - Hammersmith/Fulham/Paddington areas Worth Bailey, Heapy, Burgess. All Macclesfield Cheshire Mockridge,West Monkton Somerset Jenner,Clapham Surrey Kendrick,Liverpool Wensley,Somerset Coleman and Mc Namara from Ennis, Co Clare, Ireland Blake and Maloney from Kilbaha Co Clare, Ireland |
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carvell
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Witnesses attached, I thought I might be able to trace from that too, but once again - loads of names!
I found a medal roll card under the name William Nixon, for the 4th middlesex regiment. However, a medal roll card doesn't really tell us anything, plus we've proven there are loads of william nixon's knocking about - bit of a pain!
Edit: Yes, that's the roll card I found.
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